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Old 10-25-2013, 08:55 PM
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Yeah that's odd. A dog isn't really mature until 2. Some earlier yes depending on the breed and lines, but what if your dog is slow maturing and isn't nice before they are two.

I have seen a few show contracts stating they must be shown routinely after 2 until the completion of a Ch but never finished by 2.
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Old 10-25-2013, 09:29 PM
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I'm curious... what does that mean? Kili has been to 4 shows and no points. I mean, if the dog isn't placing even if you're showing... I just don't get that statement. If you show her but don't get the Ch by two then what? Just seems like a weird ultimatum....
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I also wonder this ..is it common for this to be a thing? I know my breeder requires a Ch& hunt titles before she hands over the breeding rights to a dog. There's no time limit though. Just before it pops out/ creates baby dogs!
If she doesn't get a Ch by two, then I pay the last portion of the normal purchase price. Nothing bad happens or anything. Lol.
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Old 10-26-2013, 07:18 AM
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The contract for my ACD in a few months says I have to Ch her by 2. I don't think it should be too terribly difficult. My breed isn't insanely popular, but we do have some decent competition around here. Unless she turns out just phenomenally stellar, I highly doubt I will go for a Grand Ch.
That's.. different. I've never heard of that. I've heard of contracts stating dogs need to be shown in conformation, but nothing that says "They must have their CH by 2yrs." I mean.. it's a crapshoot with puppies. What if she turns out to have some kind of fault? Do the breeders expect you to owner/handle and pay all entry fees to get her CH (that can be pretty expensive depending on how much you show)?

Like this is what Barrett's contract says: Co-owner is required to attain the said puppy's AKC Championship and complete a minimum of OFA cardiac testing (cardiologist preferred) hip testing (OFA and/or PennHip), and Ataxia testing (if not clear by parentage) before this puppy is bred; these expenses are the sole responsibility of the buyer.

There's also a section that says if his breeder wants to show him herself, she will assume financial responsibility for everything during that time.

I personally would never sign a contract with something that said "Dog must have CH by 2yrs."
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Old 10-26-2013, 09:42 AM
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I guess it comes down to the individual and what they are willing to sign for said dog. There is one breeder that if they have me 1-3rd pick black bitch I would care what I had to sign.
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Old 10-26-2013, 11:18 AM
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But then you have the opposite problem with an uncommon breed. We never had competition in the breed ring, so to get points we would have to win at group. Brand new handler, immature dog... tough to do. I would have stayed more interested and motivated if we actually had some competition!
The way this works in less popular breeds is to get to know other people who are in your general region that have your breed and communicate with them over which shows everyone wants to go to. E-mail, FB whatever - get a group contact list going because everyone is in the same boat with the lower number breeds - they all need competition

FWIW there's a good number of Greys in NE Ohio. No idea where you are and if you'd want to or be able to take a roadtrip but the Steel Valley Cluster in Canfield, Ohio in August is an awesome show and there is always a Grey entry.

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I do still think a rare breed is easier, as long as you can find some competition. Many dogs finish in my breed by 13-18 months if the owner gets out to shows, while in some breeds you don't have a chance until the dog is 2 or 3.
It is usually easier and less expensive to finish a quality lower number breed. With the more competitive breeds, your dog has to defeat more dogs to get the same number of points. There could be 30+ class dogs/bitches entered but only 2 of those are going to get points. And in those breeds, one type seems to dominant the ring and most people don't bring out a "so-so could finish but..." dogs. Plus all the pro handlers.

Lower number breeds do present their own challenges though. A CH is geberally not a cheap, easy title in any breed.
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Old 10-26-2013, 11:27 AM
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With the more competitive breeds, your dog has to defeat more dogs to get the same number of points. There could be 30+ class dogs/bitches entered but only 2 of those are going to get points. And in those breeds, one type seems to dominant the ring and most people don't bring out a "so-so could finish but..." dogs. Plus all the pro handlers.
Story. Of. My. Life. Makes it very frustrating when your moderate, correct dog is "outshined" by the flashier, less correct dogs... or pet quality dogs with a hotshot pro handler.


Which is why my next show dog isn't going to be a Doberman.
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Old 10-29-2013, 11:26 PM
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The show in W Springfield? We'll be there Saturday and Sunday. You should go!
Yes! I'm going to go and watch, and not enter. I took Fiona to a Halloween thing this weekend and she was a bit overwhelmed at the other dogs. I think we need to build up a bit more, and not jump right into a huge show at a huge venue . I really need to find some classes!

We should meet up and say hi at the show though, for sure!
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Old 10-29-2013, 11:46 PM
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I've been trying to find Westminster show clips on Youtube and it's not going well. I can't find any decent video of people running around, tbh.
Skip Youtube and go straight to the source for some good video!

http://www.westminsterkennelclub.org...ng/vid:2624785

That link should take you directly to breed judging for ACDs.

Keep in mind that not everyone you see will be a great handler. The people you don't want to emulate are the ones that can't. stop. touching. their. dogs. Constantly adjusting your dog just tells the judge "Heeeey look at this! There's something wrong here and I keep fixing it!" Really good handlers make the dog look like it's showing itself. They're the people that make everyone think that "showing dogs is easy."

I have consistently battled anxiety and CRAZY ring nerves over showing my guy, so I will give you some advice that has helped me.

The most important thing of all is to SLOW DOWN. Your immediate compulsion when you get in, is to go like a bat out of hell. You're going to feel this desire to do everything fast because there's people waiting behind you, or the judge is staring, etc. Don't fall victim to it. Just breathe deeply, and move smoothly. Smile at your dog. If she already knows how to free-stack, go with that this first time around, so you don't feel pressured to set her up perfectly without a lot of practice.

When you move her, be sure to ease into the preferred speed (whatever movement SHE looks best at) for a few steps. Giving her a slow build up into that pace just looks better, and also lets the dog know what to expect.

Good luck! Honestly, as nervous as I get, it is still addictive. The minute I walk out of the ring I am already excited about doing again (even if I spent the past week being nervous!) I am sure you will have a great time.
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Old 10-30-2013, 08:04 AM
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Yes! I'm going to go and watch, and not enter. I took Fiona to a Halloween thing this weekend and she was a bit overwhelmed at the other dogs. I think we need to build up a bit more, and not jump right into a huge show at a huge venue . I really need to find some classes!

We should meet up and say hi at the show though, for sure!
Come and find me at the Welsh Springer ring! I'm the tall redhead with freckles, showing the short dog with red hair and freckles. lol I can let you know my armband number once I find out.

I haven't been to Springfield yet, but from what I hear it's huge and chaotic. I was hoping to watch some friends in agility, but I'm going to be lucky if I can find my way to our own ring.
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Old 10-30-2013, 09:31 AM
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The way this works in less popular breeds is to get to know other people who are in your general region that have your breed and communicate with them over which shows everyone wants to go to. E-mail, FB whatever - get a group contact list going because everyone is in the same boat with the lower number breeds - they all need competition

FWIW there's a good number of Greys in NE Ohio. No idea where you are and if you'd want to or be able to take a roadtrip but the Steel Valley Cluster in Canfield, Ohio in August is an awesome show and there is always a Grey entry.
I'm in Lindsay, Ontario.

My breeder sends out e-mails but the problem is the shows she and others who own her babies enter are all down south... 3-4 hours away. I am not so interested in conformation that I'm willing to routinely travel that far for a whole weekend (and ALL the shows fell on weekends I had to work). So I've only entered her in CKC shows (breeder shows mostly UKC). There are a grand total of 3 greyhounds showing in CKC in Ontario according to my breeder (that includes my puppy) and both of the others are mature and champions. I've only managed to run into ONE of the other 2 so far.

Would love to get her out to one show so my breeder can see her before she gets spayed in February though!
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