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Old 09-13-2013, 09:06 PM
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If he was sold to you as a Yorkie and his parents were Yorkies, I would send the application in for Yorkie along with any info you have (breeeers name, registration with any registry, etc). One question it asks is why you believe he is a purebred, which it doesn't sound like you believe he's a Silky. Also ppl can get weird about rare breed ILPs if you draw too much attention. I know someone who has an ILP Mal that is probably not a Mal, that dog nearly lost his MACH when people complained he wasn't what he was ILPed as. Which brings us to point #2 - if you want to ILP your dog, you need to tell people that's what he is to the best of your knowledge. Doing otherwise can cause problems.

ILPs are turned down they don't feel the dog is the breed they are being applied for. I have known several people who have been denied, on dogs that were not what they were trying for. One on a whippet who is probably a lurcher but ended up with an ILP on a second try after she got Whippet people to write saying they believed he was a Whippet. So being honest on breed can be important.

That said, they are not looking for show quality examples. I suspect a good number of ILPed toy dogs are oversized, since tiny size is easy to lose if not heavily selected for.
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Old 09-13-2013, 09:59 PM
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If he was sold to you as a Yorkie and his parents were Yorkies, I would send the application in for Yorkie along with any info you have (breeeers name, registration with any registry, etc). One question it asks is why you believe he is a purebred, which it doesn't sound like you believe he's a Silky. Also ppl can get weird about rare breed ILPs if you draw too much attention. I know someone who has an ILP Mal that is probably not a Mal, that dog nearly lost his MACH when people complained he wasn't what he was ILPed as. Which brings us to point #2 - if you want to ILP your dog, you need to tell people that's what he is to the best of your knowledge. Doing otherwise can cause problems.

ILPs are turned down they don't feel the dog is the breed they are being applied for. I have known several people who have been denied, on dogs that were not what they were trying for. One on a whippet who is probably a lurcher but ended up with an ILP on a second try after she got Whippet people to write saying they believed he was a Whippet. So being honest on breed can be important.

That said, they are not looking for show quality examples. I suspect a good number of ILPed toy dogs are oversized, since tiny size is easy to lose if not heavily selected for.
Ok, thank you!

Yeah I have NO information. Don't even know the "breeders" name. No registration with anything. Total BYB classifieds ad dog. lol. She just bred her pet dog and sold them in the newspaper ads. Went to a rowhouse in Baltimore City to pick him up. Only he and his brother were left.

I personally have always thought he was a Silky, but I just feel like the odds of it are probably low. I just have never met another yorkie, big or small, like him personality-wise or looks-wise. He's longer than he his tall (Silky), his ears are larger and more erect, his eyes are very Silky, his head shape, tail stance, etc. I've spoken to 10 Silky breeders who think he is likely a Silky and belong to a Silky group on FB where those folks chimed in and say he is very Silky-like. A breeder of both Silkys and Yorkies told me she had never seen a yorkie look like him *shrugs* Who knows. The sad thing is a well-bred Silky and a well-bred Yorkie are very easy to tell apart. So many BYB yorkies out there though so it's just really hard to know.

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Old 09-13-2013, 10:07 PM
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A lot of BYB yorkies are much larger than show yorkies and do not have nearly the delicate/refined pictures of those show yorkies. The poorly bred ones are all over the board.
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This is my aunt's yorkie, Webster. I need to get more recent photos of him but he actually looks quite a bit like Jackson!





My grandma also has a long and low kind of yorkie only she has floppy ears. Her name is Rose.

I've seen a lot of BYB yorkies that style.
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This is my aunt's yorkie, Webster. I need to get more recent photos of him but he actually looks quite a bit like Jackson!





My grandma also has a long and low kind of yorkie only she has floppy ears. Her name is Rose.

I've seen a lot of BYB yorkies that style.
OMG why have I never seen him before?! Adorable, you definitely need to get me more pictures lol.

This was Jax in that wonky stage. His hair was a wreck.



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Old 09-13-2013, 10:40 PM
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okay, i'm going way off topic now, but just found this pic. Omg he is such a monster (okay, for a Yorkie, lol). this was me holding him when he was around 5 months old. Awww I miss my puppy.

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Old 09-13-2013, 10:57 PM
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OMG why have I never seen him before?! Adorable, you definitely need to get me more pictures lol.

This was Jax in that wonky stage. His hair was a wreck.



I don't see him too often really. He's about 9 months younger than Mia? I bet he's at least 13+ lbs. Not sure. He's a cutie and a landshark lol. He's a tenacious little dog. Definitely a terrier through and through.

I forget how old he was in those pictures, but pretty young. They'd just gotten him in those pics.

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Old 09-13-2013, 11:06 PM
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A lot of BYB yorkies are much larger than show yorkies and do not have nearly the delicate/refined pictures of those show yorkies. The poorly bred ones are all over the board.
Oh yeah for sure. Like I said, if you don't breed for those extreme features (and being under 10lbs is an extreme feature) you lose them pretty quickly. We see a lit if Yorkies at both shops I work at and Jackson-types really aren't all that unusual in the pet bred gene pool. It's the same with a lot of the toy breeds - I know a few 15-20lb Paps and Poms too. Also kind of dwarfy characteristics (short even bowed legs, big head) don't seem all that uncommon in pet bred Yorkies either. IWOs I've seen much less long bodied looking Yorkies than Jackson. If he came in, I'd not question him being a Yorkie but would probably joke about him being a Giant Yorkie

It's ok to not have history, I just thought if you had anything you could send it. Ziggy is from a shelter though, no registration of background and he got his ILP without any issue. He doesn't really look like a CH Cardi but like I said, they aren't going for show quality, just basic breed type. The dogs I have known who didn't go through were really obviously not the breed they were being applied for.
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I have a PAL on Joey. When I got him I was told he was purebred and originally from a breeder down in Florida. I questioned whether or not he was pure at first since he isn't 100% true to standard, but then I was comparing him to Ibizans I see all the time in the show ring and he is certainly not show quality. He is very Ibizan and a few other Ibizans with darker colored noses like him have popped up recently so it's sparked some interest in what is causing it to pop up. Aside from the fact that he looks Ibizan Hound his temperament is also very Ibizan and we may have a lead on the breeder he came from, but not 100% positive and it's being kept quiet right now among the Ibizan folk who have been helping me track down his origins.

I had no issues registering him with a PAL. Make sure that you use clear photographs that show a complete side profile and front profile. I would recommend they be somewhat closeup shots.

Aside from that, have you come up with a name you would like for him? If you PAL him we have to do earthdog together. I've been wanting to try it out with Joey.
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