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Old 09-11-2013, 01:04 PM
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I didn't want to hijack the other question thread.

Every time I narrow down my future dogs, the Koolie seems to come along and snag my attention. On paper they look pretty perfect for what I want, but I have actually met a Lagotto Romagnolo, and really like them. And they seem pretty quiet.

I am 100% set on having a Lundehund some day and getting deep into the research/recovery efforts with them, but may hold off on that for nextdog. It's hard to say, as it will be a while before I get my next dog anyhow (hopefully a long while, since it won't be while I have Zoe.)

So like I said, I think I have future breeds figured out, then Koolies keep showing up and stealing the spotlight. But I've never met one and am trying to get a better idea of them.

1) How are they with non dog-critters? I've read they tend to be good with other dogs, but I have a cat that thinks dogs are her personal hot water bottles, and paws are nice to bat at sometimes... and I have a cockatoo that likes to hang out with me as much as possible. Ideally I won't have to separate out species anymore than I already do (no Poe out with cat, no little birds out with anyone else.)

My dogs have only been around cats. They like to chase the cat, but that's because the cat eggs them on. They both will recall or leave it if I ask them too.

2) Is there a difference in temperament between the sexes? When I get a Lundehund, it will likely be a male and left intact if he is healthy. I have to figure this into any other dog plans.
Zip Tie is goofy and will do anything for a "good boy". Zinga works hard. She's goofy but has more edge than Zip Tie does. When she's working, she's working and doesn't want to be messed with.

3) How big are everyone's Koolies? Sex/height/weight/girth? My dog apparently has a big chest for her size, and I weirdly judge dog size by girth for some reason. I like the smaller build of the females, but there seems to be a wide range of sizes/builds for the more natural breeds like this. I am looking into smaller sizes because iIt seems better for getting around on technical hikes? Or at least easier to pack them out if injured. And I'd like a dog just under a cut-off for agility rather than just over to go easier on the joints.

Zip is 9 months old, 29lbs and probably close to 20". Zinga is 16 months old, 24 lbs and 18.5".

4) Just how bad is the barking? Like how often/in what circumstances?

Zinga barks when she's frustrated. Neither of mine alert bark or bark for any other reason. Zip really doesn't bark a whole lot other than when he's in his crate (going through a rough patch in crate training right now).

5) Do they have any obsessive quirks like some BCs? Can they handle getting through an agility course without SPINNING AROUND LIKE MAD LIKE THEY ARE ATTACHED TO THEIR HANDLER WITH STRING? lol, so many herders going crazy at the last local trials... but then again, lots of labs there did this too.
I really believe 9 out of 10 nervous ticks can be worked out with training. No my dogs don't have weird quirks, but then again neither have my borders. I watch for those things and I make sure to eradicate them before they become a problem.

6) Could a Koolie do Schutzhund? I've recently become interested in this sport, but I can't see a Lagotto or a Lundy making the cut. I know that would generally be the bigger dogs into that, but hypothetically do Koolies seem like they'd fit the sport?

I really think Zinga would kick ass at IPO. I call her my mini-mal. She's pushy, drivey, confident and focused and has a killer bite. I wish I had the time to pursue it with her. Zip Tie wouldn't be so great. LOL

Thanks so much, everyone. I am looking for future dog to be a hiking, running and biking partner, and want to get into agility, rally, and who knows what else.
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Old 09-11-2013, 01:20 PM
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Didgie and Traveler bark because we're all HAPPY! And things are happening! And we're TRAINING! and that stuff JUST doesn't bother me. Alert barking? God yes. Kill it with FIRE. But life barking? Not so much.
Your description of Didgie reminds me a lot of Cohen. She can be SO LOUD when she's excited and working. And it barely registers with me.

Last time I was at an agility trial someone came up to me afterwards and laughed about how Cohen barked the entire time she was running the course. ...I hadn't even noticed. I was like, "oh, really??"
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Old 09-11-2013, 01:24 PM
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Your description of Didgie reminds me a lot of Cohen. She can be SO LOUD when she's excited and working. And it barely registers with me.

Last time I was at an agility trial someone came up to me afterwards and laughed about how Cohen barked the entire time she was running the course. ...I hadn't even noticed. I was like, "oh, really??"
Isn't it funny how much you get used to it and don't even hear it? I never noticed the barking after discs until I had people at the comps point it out! You just don't hear it!

The only time I don't like it is when it's from over stimulation and ups the excitement rather than acting as an outlet for frustration.

Also, the fact that you don't mind Cohen's barking means you need a Koolie! That's how it works don't you know.
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Old 09-11-2013, 01:27 PM
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Isn't it funny how much you get used to it and don't even hear it? I never noticed the barking after discs until I had people at the comps point it out! You just don't hear it!

The only time I don't like it is when it's from over stimulation and ups the excitement rather than acting as an outlet for frustration.

Also, the fact that you don't mind Cohen's barking means you need a Koolie! That's how it works don't you know.
The fact that my husband hates Cohen's barking means a Koolie is a long way off. Though I totally would look into it if I could... They remind me a lot of the more interesting Aussies I know. I find most Aussies are too sedate or hard headed, so it's neat to see my favourite aspects of my dogs exemplified en masse in another breed.
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Old 09-11-2013, 01:31 PM
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Your description of Didgie reminds me a lot of Cohen. She can be SO LOUD when she's excited and working. And it barely registers with me.

Last time I was at an agility trial someone came up to me afterwards and laughed about how Cohen barked the entire time she was running the course. ...I hadn't even noticed. I was like, "oh, really??"
I think that's totally normal. lol Mia had barked for a long long time (honestly, no idea really) the other day before it even began to register.

Mia's just loud. She alert barks badly, she cannot hold in her excitement (car rides!), when she's frustrated her go-to is to bark, etc. I just don't even hear it anymore. It's like my mind has blocked that frequency. Summer is mostly an excitement barker. I feel bad for some of the people in agility who are really strict about barking dogs because mine... are loud. My family hates barking dogs but luckily I don't live with them anymore and I don't care if potty breaks make her so excited she wants to screech.

Anyways, off topic since she's not a koolie lol.
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6) Could a Koolie do Schutzhund? I've recently become interested in this sport, but I can't see a Lagotto or a Lundy making the cut. I know that would generally be the bigger dogs into that, but hypothetically do Koolies seem like they'd fit the sport?
Don't have anything to add to the Koolie info but I tend to agree with Adrianne on this. IMO if you are seriously interested in SchH, you really should look at breeds traditional to the sport/work and litters bred for it. If it's a more casual interest, if you get a medium to large dog of any breed that has decent drive, stability and loves to tug you could probably play around in bitesports. But keep in mind, not all clubs are welcoming to non-traditional breeds and not all helpers are well rounded enough to bring out the best in whatever dog someone wants to work.
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I didn't want to hijack the other question thread.

Every time I narrow down my future dogs, the Koolie seems to come along and snag my attention. On paper they look pretty perfect for what I want, but I have actually met a Lagotto Romagnolo, and really like them. And they seem pretty quiet.

I am 100% set on having a Lundehund some day and getting deep into the research/recovery efforts with them, but may hold off on that for nextdog. It's hard to say, as it will be a while before I get my next dog anyhow (hopefully a long while, since it won't be while I have Zoe.)

So like I said, I think I have future breeds figured out, then Koolies keep showing up and stealing the spotlight. But I've never met one and am trying to get a better idea of them.

1) How are they with non dog-critters? I've read they tend to be good with other dogs, but I have a cat that thinks dogs are her personal hot water bottles, and paws are nice to bat at sometimes... and I have a cockatoo that likes to hang out with me as much as possible. Ideally I won't have to separate out species anymore than I already do (no Poe out with cat, no little birds out with anyone else.)
I have no experience with non dog critters.

2) Is there a difference in temperament between the sexes? When I get a Lundehund, it will likely be a male and left intact if he is healthy. I have to figure this into any other dog plans.

No experience with males. My coolie if female as are my other two dogs.

3) How big are everyone's Koolies? Sex/height/weight/girth? My dog apparently has a big chest for her size, and I weirdly judge dog size by girth for some reason. I like the smaller build of the females, but there seems to be a wide range of sizes/builds for the more natural breeds like this. I am looking into smaller sizes because iIt seems better for getting around on technical hikes? Or at least easier to pack them out if injured. And I'd like a dog just under a cut-off for agility rather than just over to go easier on the joints.

Rue is 20 inches, 39 lbs, female, with a 25 inch girth. Perfect if you ask me
4) Just how bad is the barking? Like how often/in what circumstances?

Rue barks when excited. She announces our arrival anywhere, will bark excitedly when she wants to do something and is being restrained. She barks when a stranger approaches our property. With the stranger approaching she will quiet when I tell her to. The other situations I have given up trying to correct.

5) Do they have any obsessive quirks like some BCs? Can they handle getting through an agility course without SPINNING AROUND LIKE MAD LIKE THEY ARE ATTACHED TO THEIR HANDLER WITH STRING? lol, so many herders going crazy at the last local trials... but then again, lots of labs there did this too.

Rue does fine with agility as long as I don't mess up my part. If I mess up she will bark at me, if I run well, she runs well. She and I are still a new team so time will tell how we turn out

6) Could a Koolie do Schutzhund? I've recently become interested in this sport, but I can't see a Lagotto or a Lundy making the cut. I know that would generally be the bigger dogs into that, but hypothetically do Koolies seem like they'd fit the sport?

I would think so! They are tough, confident, obedient, intelligent, and athletic

Thanks so much, everyone. I am looking for future dog to be a hiking, running and biking partner, and want to get into agility, rally, and who knows what else.
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Thanks so much for all the input. They sound like such perfect dogs for me. I don't know why I keep looking at other breeds. Not that I can't have both. I don't want to be a one-dog household in the future.

I don't mind some noise - I have a cockatoo, after all. But Poe is really a pretty quiet bird, and I'd like to keep it that way. The things that bother me are alarm barking that doesn't stop when I give the all clear, and separation barking "OMG, you're leaving me! Come back! Why are you over there, I can see you!!!" Noise during playing/training isn't a big deal so long as it isn't something the dog is doing instead of focusing on the activity. I just don't want constant loud feedback about everything. Zoe alerts me of moose during walks, then quiets down and we can pass them just fine. I appreciate that. I don't appreciate her telling me the post office is about to eat my soul when I try to check the mail. I have looked into the Mudi as well, and this is one thing (along with some DA concerns) that has put me off. I hear they are big time barkers.

I don't plan to get serious about Schutzhund. That's where I'd like to go with agility, but the Schutzhund would be more for fun and to see how far we could go. The club I like up here has two boxers, but I don't know enough to say how "off" they are as breeds in the sport compared to Koolies. They don't have a super serious attitude, so I think they'd be open to it, but I may have moved to Oregon (probably Ashland) by the time I'd be getting into that.
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1) How are they with non dog-critters? I've read they tend to be good with other dogs, but I have a cat that thinks dogs are her personal hot water bottles, and paws are nice to bat at sometimes... and I have a cockatoo that likes to hang out with me as much as possible.
She wants to mug and be friends with everything it seems. When she sees cats at a vet clinic (either running around or crated) she pulls toward them wagging her tail, trying to lick them. She was a bit startled by my roommate's Nile monitor but now just pretty much ignores her, even when she's failing around up the glass.

3) How big are everyone's Koolies?
Circus right now is just under 17" and 21lbs. She's only 25 weeks old though, so I'm thinking she might gain under 5ish lbs?

4) Just how bad is the barking? Like how often/in what circumstances?
The first week I had Circus I was living in a house with these 2 Maltese dogs that Circus was in love with, so she was really really barky during this time because she'd get excited chasing them around. Then I spent two months living in an apartment with a strict "no barking" policy, I made sure to immediately end all play between Circus and Lugia after a single bark and she quickly learned to be a really quiet puppy in general (it helped that I was on summer vacation at this time and spent quite literally *all of my time* with Circus teaching her good habits).

THEN I moved to this really dog-friendly house and got a lot lax with her barking - she has a best friend (Pablo, an 8-month old lab-mix) who loves to bark while playing, I mean, she's NEVER had a more rambunctious playmate. She started barking HELLLAA while playing with him, and she plays with him so often, that now she'll be a bit more vocal in certain situations where she's frustrated (I won't throw a toy for her, Lugia is running faster than her, the ball goes too deep in the water, she's crated and Lugia is outside staring at her).

So, yeah, I think it depends on being really consistent with teaching her that being quiet is a Good Thing, I slacked off on that, now I'm paying for it!


5) Do they have any obsessive quirks like some BCs? Can they handle getting through an agility course without SPINNING AROUND LIKE MAD LIKE THEY ARE ATTACHED TO THEIR HANDLER WITH STRING?
One of the first tricks I ever taught Circus was to stand underneath me and follow me as I walked around... now she has a habit of trying to be directly underfoot if I'm about to throw a ball.

6) Could a Koolie do Schutzhund? I've recently become interested in this sport, but I can't see a Lagotto or a Lundy making the cut. I know that would generally be the bigger dogs into that, but hypothetically do Koolies seem like they'd fit the sport?
Not Circus! I think she'd be too soft for bitesports in general
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