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Old 06-19-2013, 01:37 PM
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We got introduced to the tunnel for the first time in agility last night. All I can say is my dog is now the class clown. He has seen a tunnel (albeit a very small tunnel and briefly) at puppy class when he was like, 10 weeks old.

So yesterday, he decided that going through it was not the most efficient way to do it. The better way to do it was to run along the top and jump off the other end. The class about died laughing I think. lol I found out he does better when we run up to it and don't stop moving, then he goes through it no problem. But if I hesitate even a little he's on the top of it running along like a demon trying not to fall.

My dog is embarrassing! LOL All in all, it was a really fun class and he's doing good, I'm catching on little by little. ^_^
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Old 06-19-2013, 02:12 PM
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Even experienced dogs can wind up on top of the tunnel.

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Old 06-19-2013, 02:18 PM
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I teach rears with a target and one jump with no bars up. I don't use a verbal personally but agree that some dogs do respond better to one. The dog has to have the ability to be sent in front of us. Rears are very difficult to teach a dog that paces us or doesn't like to be sent forward and leave us.
One problem that I often see, is people beside their dogs, then slamming on the breaks to cross behind their dog, which of course often makes a dog then spin.

Target (target disk/lid or toy) is beyond the jump and slightly to the left, start with the dog on your left. Send the dog forward to the target and cross behind them, reward. Slowly move the target further to one side, then add a second jump or more jumps if you need to get your dog driving forward. Never reward a spin and I quickly get to the point where I wont reward a serious head check either. If the dog spins or head checks it means they don't understand and need more training, go back to the point that they didn't and slowly progress again.

A rear cross is nothing more than the handler moving diagonally behind the dog while moving forward, which is the cue to turn
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Old 06-19-2013, 02:21 PM
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Old 06-19-2013, 02:26 PM
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A rear cross is nothing more than the handler moving diagonally behind the dog while moving forward, which is the cue to turn
Hi, my name is Jess, and I'm a Front Cross Phobic.

Since my timing is inevitably late in just about every situation, I try to avoid front crosses whenever possible. Rears are very much my friend. But when I'm late cuing a decel and there's a big, juicy tunnel entrance looming up ahead things can get a bit... messy. I'm a big fan of running as quietly as possible (Cohen on the other hand...) but I'm definitely tempted to put a verbal to this behaviour to see where it gets us.
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Summer is a dog that runs on top of tunnels lol. My dogs both like climbing things but hate tunnels. Lol

Ado outlined my rear cross woes. I like front crosses if possible. I'm hoping its mostly experience because rear crosses still tend to confuse my dogs. We learned rear crosses with the target like she outlined though
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Old 06-19-2013, 02:35 PM
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Hi, my name is Jess, and I'm a Front Cross Phobic.

Since my timing is inevitably late in just about every situation, I try to avoid front crosses whenever possible. Rears are very much my friend. But when I'm late cuing a decel and there's a big, juicy tunnel entrance looming up ahead things can get a bit... messy. I'm a big fan of running as quietly as possible (Cohen on the other hand...) but I'm definitely tempted to put a verbal to this behaviour to see where it gets us.
Then you may want to check out the new handling stuff on teaching the dogs to not do the obvious side of an obstacle i.e OTHER tunnel entrance instead of the one right in their faces lol. Basically takes the onus off the handler and needing perfect timing and puts it onto the dog

Also amazing to see how fast the dogs pick it up, no head checks, no hesitation and flying into the correct entrance.
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Then you may want to check out the new handling stuff on teaching the dogs to not do the obvious side of an obstacle i.e OTHER tunnel entrance instead of the one right in their faces lol. Basically takes the onus off the handler and needing perfect timing and puts it onto the dog

Also amazing to see how fast the dogs pick it up, no head checks, no hesitation and flying into the correct entrance.
A friend/instructor did this with one of her dogs. Worked really well until I ran her dog and she neglected to tell me that her dog will shoot off to the farther end of the tunnel unless explicitly told otherwise. I'm told the expression on my face was priceless when she suddenly turned on a dime for no apparent reason and took the wrong end of the tunnel, leaving me bewildered lol. We do mostly motion-based handling and I know that every fiber of my being was directed toward the near end of that tunnel. Coulda knocked me over with a feather

As we left the ring after our otherwise-clean run, her handler said to me, "So I suddenly remembered I forgot to tell you....."

Good times, haha.
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A friend/instructor did this with one of her dogs. Worked really well until I ran her dog and she neglected to tell me that her dog will shoot off to the farther end of the tunnel unless explicitly told otherwise. I'm told the expression on my face was priceless when she suddenly turned on a dime for no apparent reason and took the wrong end of the tunnel, leaving me bewildered lol. We do mostly motion-based handling and I know that every fiber of my being was directed toward the near end of that tunnel. Coulda knocked me over with a feather

As we left the ring after our otherwise-clean run, her handler said to me, "So I suddenly remembered I forgot to tell you....."

Good times, haha.
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Summer is a dog that runs on top of tunnels lol. My dogs both like climbing things but hate tunnels. Lol

Ado outlined my rear cross woes. I like front crosses if possible. I'm hoping its mostly experience because rear crosses still tend to confuse my dogs. We learned rear crosses with the target like she outlined though
There's always a learning curve. With my first agility dog (Elmo), I did almost all rear crosses. TBH, I didn't really know how to do a front. And he preferred I stay out of his way. With my next agility dog, Tully, she really wanted me to stay in front of her, so I learned how to do fronts, and eventually added blind crosses (her favorite). At this point, I've evolved a style of my own that involves being ahead most of the time and using fronts, but I can and do use rears when needed. But, I've been running agility for 12-13 years.

Pi moves out well, so I'll probably be using more fronts with him as he gains experience. It's actually pretty easy to use them with a fast dog, if you can send them to equipment and take short cuts yourself (so the dog needs obstacle focus). But I do want to have rear crosses in my toolbox anyway, so he does need to be able to do them. The verbal cleared it up for him, so I'll continue to use that, though my previous 3 agility dogs didn't need one.

As you work, you will find out what moves work best for you and your dogs (unless you wind up following a handling system that tells you what you can do), and you'll get more comfortable with stuff that is harder for you at the start.
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