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Old 06-05-2013, 02:57 PM
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Webby at last! I just adore him. He sounds like Meg; she also is never going to win in a flat out speed round, but once all the faster dogs start pulling bars and getting off-course on the tight, trappy courses, she moves up into the top placements pretty quickly. There's a lot to be said for that type of dog!

Zuma looks like such a blast!

I was just about glowing the whole ride home from practice last night. Our club held a camp last weekend, and our USDAA trial is going to be held in the same field in 2 weeks. Since the equipment was all there, we just left it in place rather than moving it back to our usual practice field. Which meant 1) New place to train and 2) Got to train in the ring we will be using at the trial.

Gusto was so, so good. So much of it is a mental thing for me. It's really hard for me to go to the line in a class, or even run thrus, and not rush to get my dog on the line and run. I went in knowing he needed to be engaged, and we tugged/set up/released to the tug a few times before I even took his leash off. Did a few single jumps, did a few tunnels. Just worked on making sure he was 100% engaged with me. By the second time out, I was able to run the course in about 3 or 4 pieces with big tugging/re-engaging in the middle. Zero sniffing. Zero disconnecting. Big wake up call for me in how I need to approach this issue!

I've been heartbroken because we lost our spot in our usual training class due to Gusto's injury, but I'm trying to see it as a new opportunity. As fun as it was, I'm not sure it was what we need right now anyway. I think I'm going to do a class with Agility University, since the trainer I really like is doing one that seems perfect for us next month. Obstacles aren't the issue for us right now. Handling is a part of it (he still doesn't pick up great on front crosses), but focus and drive is really what I want to spend the summer working on.
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Old 06-05-2013, 03:50 PM
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Ugh I hope that doesn't turn out to be it. That really stinks Do you have any video?
This is from last fall, Salo stuff....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhhaEmEoXUs

Go 30 sec into this one, this is very typical...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31Ykqgm-PeA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPEeGaJS0Ps

This is from our recent seminar, not a good angle you can see a crash in the first sequence. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHpnbu6GiEk

This article http://www.awesomepaws.us/wp-content...ffSyndrome.pdf really describes her. I thought she was doing so well this winter because we were working mostly on collection, cik/cak, backsides, all of the complicated skills. But then when we got back outside, she reverted to crazy jumping when it's a straight on approach in extension.

It makes me sad because she really does try hard, gives me her all, and wants to be right. I don't know if it's fair to keep asking her to do something that she honestly can't do.
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And just like that, we're beginning to click...
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Old 06-06-2013, 12:26 PM
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And just like that, we're beginning to click...
Congrats! You and he will be a force to be reckoned with when you guys get going.

Also, I absolutely adore Zuma. She's such a speed demon. Just lovely. Never stop posting videos.
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I don't have much experience with ETS, but are you sure there isn't something else going on? There are a couple times in the video where it looks like she's driving really hard through a turn and her front legs sort of give out causing her to stumble. If she's trying to compensate for an impairment in her front end assembly, it would really mess with her jumping. I saw it I think in all of the videos other than the susan salo one. Have you had her checked out by a sports vet?

Of course I could be totally way off base here.
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So I guess I should update.

In the past month I've only done one class with Mia. Summer's injury benched her for 3 weeks then with tornadoes and hail all week for two weeks my classes were cancelled. My drop in class with Mia went ok but we are more advanced than that class by a lot so....

My first trainer ended up restarting classes for my old class and they needed my dogs to make a full class so we're back in our old class. LOL

There is a trial in July and I am debating on entering but leaning towards no at this point. I'm not sure.
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This is from last fall, Salo stuff....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhhaEmEoXUs

Go 30 sec into this one, this is very typical...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31Ykqgm-PeA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPEeGaJS0Ps

This is from our recent seminar, not a good angle you can see a crash in the first sequence. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHpnbu6GiEk

This article http://www.awesomepaws.us/wp-content...ffSyndrome.pdf really describes her. I thought she was doing so well this winter because we were working mostly on collection, cik/cak, backsides, all of the complicated skills. But then when we got back outside, she reverted to crazy jumping when it's a straight on approach in extension.

It makes me sad because she really does try hard, gives me her all, and wants to be right. I don't know if it's fair to keep asking her to do something that she honestly can't do.
I'm not well versed enough in "diagnosing" ETS to really say one way or another. Most of the dogs I've seen with it tend to question themselves and slow down and show the characteristic head bob/stutter step on the approach. Pan seems to just say the heck with it and fling herself, tucking her legs way up to make it. But that may be because most of the dogs I've seen with it are Shelties, and Pan is approaching the problem in Mal fashion...

She does seem to do a better job of adding a stride for the turning jumps (though sometimes she's not seeing/reacting to the turning cues in time and tries to turn hard as she lands, which I think is what's happening when she's wiping out at Sara pointed out). I agree with you that it's mostly when she's in extension and you're not "forcing" her to add a stride with collection/turn cues.

Have you by chance had her eyes or body checked over for any physical issues?

Sorry that you're dealing with this She is so enthusiastic -- I hope for both your sakes that there is an answer that will allow you to keep playing.
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Old 06-06-2013, 07:55 PM
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Hurray Backup!

Laurelin I hope you are able to get back into good classes soon, and that Summer is good as new.

I dropped into a C-ATCH/Excellent-level class this week and took Kim for something different...lol. After a year of no agility. Yeahhhhh. She was happy to be there, we can say that much for certain . Her weaves are apparently still on vacation, and her fluency in reading turning vs. extension cues left quite a bit to be desired lol. But she had fun and most of the people in the class aren't terribly advanced so we weren't an outlier or anything lol.

That was the first class I'd been to since last September or so as well so...yeah lol.

We have an actual class we are enrolled in starting up soon, but it's only a one-month class and I am going to miss the first week since it turns out I will be on the road Bummer. Looking forward to the other three classes though. Mira's entered in the first class, and Kim in the second. Buuut after Kim's performance early this week, I'm either going to have to get some work in before that class, or else take Webster instead lol.

Kim was having a blast though and I just had to laugh at her silliness. She still has, and always will have, First Dog Prerogative.
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I'm not well versed enough in "diagnosing" ETS to really say one way or another. Most of the dogs I've seen with it tend to question themselves and slow down and show the characteristic head bob/stutter step on the approach. Pan seems to just say the heck with it and fling herself, tucking her legs way up to make it. But that may be because most of the dogs I've seen with it are Shelties, and Pan is approaching the problem in Mal fashion...

She does seem to do a better job of adding a stride for the turning jumps (though sometimes she's not seeing/reacting to the turning cues in time and tries to turn hard as she lands, which I think is what's happening when she's wiping out at Sara pointed out). I agree with you that it's mostly when she's in extension and you're not "forcing" her to add a stride with collection/turn cues.

Have you by chance had her eyes or body checked over for any physical issues?

Sorry that you're dealing with this She is so enthusiastic -- I hope for both your sakes that there is an answer that will allow you to keep playing.
She can jump pretty nicely in collection now, even at 26", which is what leads me to believe it's ETS. She can't handle straight on approaches at speed at all. I had a private lesson with Justine the night before the seminar, and we ran a sequence with a tunnel then a long distance to two jumps in a straight line, and she was just launching at the jump from like 20' away.

The wiping out is also a Mal thing....they just aren't graceful like BCs and their bodies often just can't handle the speed they want to travel at. My friend also runs a Mal, and he wipes out all over the place, although he can jump beautifully (he is in Silvia's new foundations DVD because he can turn so tight).

I live in a crap northern city with no sports vets so I have never had checked out, but she doesn't show any physical issues anywhere else.

I agree that she is just approaching the problem in Mal fashion. She can't judge the proper take off point so she just launches herself, hoping to make it. I think that the softer dogs, like Shelties and some BCs, will slow down and stutter, but the crazier ones just try to power through it. Here's a staffy that doesn't show the stuttering either....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyqOEaAFxes.

Right now I'm about to move to a city with pretty much no agility, so I'm going to give us both a break for a bit. Luckily, Pan loves doing anything, so I'm going to start tracking training again, then revisit her jumping in a while.
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