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Old 06-01-2013, 08:20 PM
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I realize the real answer is that I need to talk to my vet about this, and I will ask when we go back in for Gusto's next laser appointment in 2 weeks. But after reading a few threads, it is back in the forefront of my mind.

Do you always bring dogs "in the back" for blood draws? If an owner requests that you not do so, do you have an issue with it?

I ask because Meg went into full panic at one point when the vet tried to take her out of the room - finally managed to slip her collar and jumped up behind me in the chair and was shaking. The vet just did the blood draw in the room with me, no issues. Since then, I've always just had it done in the room.

The last vet I was at, they asked for the dogs so they could take them out back. I said "It's fine to take Gusto, but Meg needs to be done with me here. She panics otherwise.". They said it was fine, but when the vet could not get a vein in her (and I'm talking several minutes of trying the jugular, both front legs and a hind), he finally just dragged her out back. He said to use a tourniquet, although given some other stuff I learned about him after, I half wonder if he ever got blood at all and just told me her bloodwork was fine.

I hate myself enough for not stepping in and stopping things at the time. I love Gusto's rehab vet so much that I've had both dogs transferred there for their regular vet stuff as well. So far we've only been for Gusto's lameness/laser appointments, which she's done entirely in the room with me (and outside with me watching him move). I will be asking her about whether or not she removes the dogs from the room for anything, but I'm wondering if that is an out-there request to make. Does it upset you if someone asks that? Do you comply?
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Old 06-01-2013, 08:23 PM
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No. If someone would prefer to have the blood drawn in the room, we are more than happy to do that. Restraint can be tricky though, and a lot of times it isn't possible to have the owner restrain for a blood draw because we absolutely need to keep the dog still.

Most of the time, we just have to owner come into the back with the dog if they want to stay with them, unless the dog has anxiety issues in the back room.
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Old 06-01-2013, 08:26 PM
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Almost never, unless an owner tells us the dog is better without them present. And even then, we usually have the owner just step outside the door instead of moving the dog.

Honestly, I completely despise the practice. Owners usually HATE it and there's very, very rarely a compelling reason to do it. The vast majority of dogs do WAY better with their owner in the room. Plus a lot of times you can do things with a slightly anxious dog like have the owner machine-gunning treats or letting the dog lick peanut butter or Easy Cheese off a tongue depressor while you get blood from a back leg and they barely notice, when if you'd taken the dog away it would be awful.

I also despise the practice of leaping immediately to a high level of restraint, but that's a rant for another thread.


ETA: We do not allow owners to actually restrain their dog, just to be clear.
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Old 06-01-2013, 08:38 PM
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Oh, I have no qualms about letting someone else restrain either dog. I've been to some vets who have me hold them and some who have staff hold them, both of my dogs are good with either. Meg might even be okay with staying in the room while I leave; she doesn't have any separation issues normally, but someone taking her away from me is a problem for her.

As long as I'm not asking for some huge vet rule to be altered, I won't stress about asking then.
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Old 06-01-2013, 08:40 PM
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It's an insurance issue here. However, if the vet knows you well enough, they'll often take the risk.

Though, if they let you stay with them, the vet has to do it rather than a tech, so the price goes up from my understanding (You get charged for a recheck appt, rather than just blood work)
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Old 06-01-2013, 08:48 PM
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An insurance issue just to be in the room? It's certainly a liability issue for owners to restrain, but to be in the room? Sounds sketchy to me.
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Old 06-01-2013, 09:32 PM
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The price goes up even if I'm there for an appointment anyway? I have full exams done on both dogs in the early spring when I do their heart worm test, so it isn't like I'm just ducking in for blood draws. I mean, I'd pay the extra price, but that would strike me as odd.
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Coming from the other end of the spectrum...

I've always stayed in the room with Jack when they've done exams, blood draws, etc - we do a lot of counter conditioning work while it's happening, and it's just easier for everyone. At my regular vet, they've let me restrain him for blood work. At the ophthalmologist, the tech held his head so it was at the right angle, and I held the rest of him. No one has ever had a problem with it.

I've always let them take the cat in the back to do blood draws and the couple of times she'd had cystos. I don't mind one way or the other, and she doesn't seem to care. I've never asked to come with or for them to do it in the room, but I'm sure they'd oblige.

ETA: From the other side of the spectrum, I can absolutely see a vet not wanting an owner to restrain their own dog - I would much rather trust my coworker to restrain for me than trust the owner of the dog, who may or may not do it properly. Before I went to this vet, we had a long phone conversation to discuss whether they can handle special behavioral needs.
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Though, if they let you stay with them, the vet has to do it rather than a tech, so the price goes up from my understanding
A tech should still be able to do it in that scenario?

We automatically bring everyone in back for procedures, yes. As the person drawing blood, to be quite honest I really hate doing it in the room with the owners. Puts the pressure on lol because a lot of owners make a big deal out of it if we don't get blood on the first attempt. And oftentimes they want to hover and try holding their dog and it just... makes it more complicated than it needs to be.

But if someone asks for us to do it in the room, yeah we will. Or we will even offer to do it in the room if the dog seems calmer with their owner. For most anxious dogs though we prefer to take them in back because they tend to do better - and then, again, we don't have anxious owner hovering and making it worse.

For my own animals, I don't care if it's done in the room with me, in the back treatment room, or on the roof. I've always let the staff just do what they need to do in order to get what they need.
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I am one of "those" annoying owners, I suppose

I am very very fortunate that I have a vet I have known for so long, and since they know me, not only do I get to stay in the room, but I usually restrain myself as well. The only exception would be if I neeed help with a foster. But i pretty much grew up with this vet, they have taught me to restrain same as they do. But I am not an anxious hovering owner I am chill and professional, I do better when they give it to me straight

I helped my Mom take Miya to a low cost vet, and they had the same problem. Couldn't get a vein, couldn't get her to hold still. I told them if they let me hold her, she'd be fine. She was just uncomfortable being restrained by a stranger. But they wouldn't let me at all, and chastised me for trying. In the end it took 4 to restrain and one to draw the blood, and they muzzled her 'just in case'. Miya cried and panicked and peed, but never did try to snap or growl or anything. I was PISSED, if I was a dog I would've snapped at person 2 let alone 4 if it wouldve been my dog I would've walked out. If they would've had a back room, who knows how they would've done out of our sight - and yes thats my opinion on it. So I told my mom, next time we go to my vet or I refuse to help. That's ridiculous.
So next time we went to my vet, I held her and she was fine. And they got the vein on the second try
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