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Old 12-29-2005, 03:27 PM
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Ok when were you called anything but a troll? we dont all like name calling as you seem to, you are the one that took this off topic in the first place
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Old 12-29-2005, 03:44 PM
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I can see both sides of the arguement though I have to lean to one side of the thread after reading it.

Points made on each others side have been valid then led to frivelous crap and name calling

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I think it comes down to 3 things

1. Yes people love mutts, and keep them in good health, and there is no reason to be against mutts and etc, thats fine, BUT thats no reason to support the breeding of mutts; which is just adding to the problem of overpopulation and health problems etc (I have yet to see a mix that was bred to further the collective good rather than just be a fancy looking companion)

2. Vets have a knowledge of the animal itself, similar to how a doctor would to a human, just because someone may be a vet does not mean they now know how to Train/Behaviour theropy and consult, Breed better than a breeder, be able to do thing better than everyone else just because you may have "D.V.M" beside their name, a truly good vet would admit that

3. The reason people here do not support "Designer breeds" and "Mutts" is because there is already a booming and overflowing population (not to mention health problems which as a vet someone should know) and there is no need to breed more and add to the problem, The reason you dont breed one dog with another of a different breed is because unless there is a legitamit reason there is no need. Regardless of care standard, or want, it is the same reason you wouldnt breed "Lightning" the prize winning race horse with "Smelly" the circus pony

Honestly in my view, unless the dog was looked over and tested, found to have certain attributes, looked over and behaviourally tested, health tested, and then bred for a specific purpose and actually used for that purpose, it shouldnt be bred at all

Breeding should only be to benefit and further the breed itself, or to be of benefit of a certain purpose such as Assistance or other beneficial activities, not just because someone wants money or somebody wants a dog that looks cute.

And to tell you the truth this thread is going nowhere, I am not saying I dont support mutts, I am just saying why breed and add to a problem that is already overwhelming. In fact I love mutts, but go give a rescue dog another chance, dont breed designers and add to the problem.
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Old 12-29-2005, 03:46 PM
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very well said, I have tried to move this thread on but sadly i think its time for it to close
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Old 12-29-2005, 03:51 PM
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Well said ... let's move on.
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Old 01-01-2006, 04:42 PM
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Lets get the record straight first..... I don't support BYB at all, nor do I support those who breed animals without the proper knowledge of doing so.

That's the problem with most of you....always jumping the gun at those you don't know or have never met..... and for you to say im uneducated at breeding?.... I'm a vet and can probably tell you more than you ever wanted to know about dogs and breeding.

what vet school did you go to? when did you graduate?
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Old 01-01-2006, 05:04 PM
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Most vets I have experience with are not that familiar with breeding, particularly breeding ETHICS.

What sort of practice do you have?

What is your opinion of Hill's?

Can you tell me what Imrab is? What about Progard?

How do you feel about MLVs? Or do you prefer killed and why?

What kind of extender do you use on your fresh chilled?

Do you do TC AIs or surgical or both?

How many days past the LH surge do you like to breed?

Do you advise people to keep a temperature chart?

Do you recommend Ca supplementation when small bitches are in whelp?

Just a few questions that a VET or an experienced breeder should be able to answer right off the top of their head.....
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Old 01-01-2006, 07:49 PM
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Hey Rottie, you hit the nail on the head with those questions, I have vet-tech training, and all of the vets I have worked with, including my own, don't know a whole lot about breeding a good dog. I would bet that very few vets know anything about the above questions.
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Old 01-01-2006, 07:58 PM
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yes I agree vets tend to not know a lot about breeding, which i think is wrong, because i have herd of a lot of peopel with pregnant dogs going to them for advice and they have been told a load of rubbish lol, my vet tried to tell me when i went for a pregnancy health check that if Jessika still had a clear discharge in a week then i should get her on meds, i told her that its a normal sign of a pregnant bitch as long a sit doesnt smell or change colour to anything other than white lol
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Old 01-01-2006, 08:10 PM
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With out very first litter of Bernese our breeder lived 7 states away, so we were relying on our vet to help, it was terrible, the bitch Nika, had a normal delivery, but afterwords had what seemed like alot of bloody discharge, we brought her to the vet to have bloodwork done, he saw the amount of discharge and said she was fine. Nika seemed ok, but very slugish, and not eating properly, however our vet had told us this was normal as it was her first litter. The next day a friend of our who happens to be an animal control officer, and who has whelped many litters, saw the amount of blood coming out of poor Nika she told us to take her to the Emergency vets office right away, which we did, TWO blood transfusions later our sweet girl was fine, she had a tear in the uterine wall. Our ex-vet never even knew, or thought to ask/ultrasound for it.
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Old 01-01-2006, 08:14 PM
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yes i think vets should do a cause on breeding, i took Jess for a few health checks during her pregnancy and after, and at thge time I thsught why am i here i seem to be telling the vet more than she is telling me lol, so I was paying to give info lol, but it made me feel better just knowing that i had taken her
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