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Old 03-21-2013, 12:02 PM
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That's awesome. What a trooper!
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Old 03-21-2013, 12:13 PM
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The one I covet, the lady trains him with really, really harsh corrections, but he just doesn't quit.

She can't keep up with him when she sends him over the broad jump, so he gets popped literally every time he goes over it, but every time she says 'over!' he races up to jump just as cheerful as ever, even though he knows he's going to get popped on the way down. He's a machine.

Even when she gives him two conflicting commands at once, he still tries one, even though she corrects because he 'chose wrong.' The next time she gives two commands at once, he still tries. (And yes, our trainer gets on her case about it, and she is getting better.)

Most dogs I've known wouldn't tolerate such shenanigans. He's just so cheerful about it.
LOL that sounds right. Ollie's tail is ALWAYS wagging. I think I could throw him through a brick wall and he'd still want to work.

He's also seriously obsessed with fetching. Like, screaming, crying, shaking obsessed. He actually skinned his pads open playing ball and never showed any signs until my mom brought him inside and found blood all over.

A good cocker is totally underrated. I rarely meet the kind I like out in public, though, so I understand why even dog people sometimes have poor perceptions of them.
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Old 03-21-2013, 02:22 PM
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I've actually found that I love dogs that are "yay life" and are people dogs--love to meet and interact with people with some focus and drive thrown in so that tasks can still be preformed. My ideal dog is a social, confident, happy, drivey, focused with an off switch lab.
^ This. Although I much prefer a dog that is politely reserved with strangers/other dogs (and by politely reserved I mean well behaved and tolerant) than "ZOMG, HAI!!!!" I think I prefer the type of dog that stands there and lets you do what you will with it, but opens up and blossoms when it is with its person. Which is one of the reasons I've decided to try my luck with a Chessie.

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LOL that sounds right. Ollie's tail is ALWAYS wagging. I think I could throw him through a brick wall and he'd still want to work.

He's also seriously obsessed with fetching. Like, screaming, crying, shaking obsessed. He actually skinned his pads open playing ball and never showed any signs until my mom brought him inside and found blood all over.

A good cocker is totally underrated. I rarely meet the kind I like out in public, though, so I understand why even dog people sometimes have poor perceptions of them.
I swear, when it is time for the next dog (which will likely be after Cynder passes) I would love to get an English Cocker from field lines. If it wasn't for the fact that I want a large, protective dog this time around, I probably would have gone the English Cocker route.
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Old 03-21-2013, 02:42 PM
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^ This. Although I much prefer a dog that is politely reserved with strangers/other dogs (and by politely reserved I mean well behaved and tolerant) than "ZOMG, HAI!!!!" I think I prefer the type of dog that stands there and lets you do what you will with it, but opens up and blossoms when it is with its person. Which is one of the reasons I've decided to try my luck with a Chessie.


I think this is my 'ideal' as well. The whole 'ZOMG HAI' thing drives me nuts. My grandma's Foxhound is like this and it's SO annoying. Like, even if I'm trying to *quietly* pet Jackson so she doesn't hear, she notices and comes running over, jumps right on top of me and Jackson (which he doesn't take kindly to) and is just like INYOURFACE. She's so friendly, but she's also just so dumb, she has no clue about manners whatsoever. It's not even her purposely trying to be rude or obnoxious, she just... is. LOL. I've been around other dogs like this too and I know they're not the type for me (a Boston/Beagle mix, and a JRT/Beagle mix).

However, Jackson is a tad too reserved - I wouldn't look for a dog quite as shy in the future as much as I love him to death. He takes a long time to warm up to somebody. But once he does, he'll love you forever. But I do love that he's very much into me, but even though I'm very clearly his person, my whole close family he loves too.

Ideal next dog would have me as their #1 (i.e. wouldn't just hop off into a car with another person and be perfectly content to live out the rest of their life with them, LOL) but also be happy (and enjoy) attention from others, including strangers, if prompted. But not necessarily SEEK it out (in the 'I'm going to jump on everyone because you MUST say hi to ME!" way). That's why I think I've settled that if I get another terrier, it will be a Border. As terriers go, they seem to be the best 'family' terriers (most are great with kids) and friendly with people but still devoted to their person. And if I were to go bigger, I think I've strayed away from BC's and think an English Shepherd would much better suit me.

Btw, I love Chessies. I see quite a few around here (being on the Chesapeake Bay and all).
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Old 03-21-2013, 02:49 PM
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That's why I think I've settled that if I get another terrier, it will be a Border.

Get one! Get one!! Honestly though, I hang out with some Border Terriers now and love them. If I ever want a small dog, I think I'd seek one out. They are so enjoyable to be around and based on a lot of what you've said here and there, I think you'd be thrilled with one.
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^ This. Although I much prefer a dog that is politely reserved with strangers/other dogs (and by politely reserved I mean well behaved and tolerant) than "ZOMG, HAI!!!!" I think I prefer the type of dog that stands there and lets you do what you will with it, but opens up and blossoms when it is with its person. Which is one of the reasons I've decided to try my luck with a Chessie.



I swear, when it is time for the next dog (which will likely be after Cynder passes) I would love to get an English Cocker from field lines. If it wasn't for the fact that I want a large, protective dog this time around, I probably would have gone the English Cocker route.
I do like chessies, but the dog aggression thing has always given me pause with the breed.

It's funny, Jack enjoys meeting people and is really excited at first, but he doesn't gush over them. DH says he is like a politician--smile, greet, shake hands, and move on. Jack also definitely has favorite people-he does not regard all people as equally awesome. His list of favorites goes--me, my friend Ann, DH, our trainer, one of the ladies that vacumms the center where he swims, then everyone else. As far as loyalty goes, he is more than happy to stick close to me at the dog park. He goes off and plays but if I start walking around the perimeter he follows without prompting usually. He is up my butt all.the.time. though--lol. In my experience goldens seem to be much more gushy with strangers than labs.

Honestly, from a training perspective I would rather work to tone down "ZOMG HAI" with strangers than deal with a timid or suspicious dog.
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Old 03-21-2013, 04:36 PM
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There's something about the Toller personality that doesn't quite gel with a lot of "retriever people" either :P. They are just a little...different.
I think it's because they're really closer to spaniels than retrievers. Tollers are almost completely unrelated to the other retriever breeds, except possibly incidentally and relatively late in the breed's development.

Regardless, Tollers are the best and everyone should have them, except no one should have them so I can have all the Tollers.
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Old 03-21-2013, 04:47 PM
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Except tollers from one of the kennels around here. I am so put off, and nearly offended (only because I have an interest in what tollers remain as), at what's being produced. They don't even LOOK like tollers anymore.

I still want one someday, from the breeder I chose years ago now!
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Honestly, from a training perspective I would rather work to tone down "ZOMG HAI" with strangers than deal with a timid or suspicious dog.
I'm the complete opposite, although I think some of that is that my dogs are rarely around "non-dog" people. I might find it worse if I had to deal with people who don't understand "he'd rather not say hi".

Meg is pretty ideal for me as far as that goes - she loves all people, but she doesn't actively try to fawn over them. If they greet her, she'll wander over and happily sit on their feet for petting. If I get up to leave, she's at my side. I worried a lot about Gusto with people for a bit - he's so stinking aloof. People want to pet him, and he sort of ducks away. But he never reacts, even if they grab him, and he has people he *adores* beyond all reason. He's just rather not have strangers touch him. He's kind of the dog equivalent of me, so I can't be too bothered .

He was actually hysterical at agility last night - I brought him in on leash, and for just a second, he clearly thought one of the women there was someone else - he came through the door and approached her in full-body wiggle happiness, then took a second glance and walked away in disgust when she reached down to pet him. I think she was offended!
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Honestly, from a training perspective I would rather work to tone down "ZOMG HAI" with strangers than deal with a timid or suspicious dog.
This. Nothing like living with a 140lb human aggressive giant to make you count your blessings.
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