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Old 03-11-2013, 04:34 PM
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Abe does for the same reason Zuma does.

I just faded it out pretty much as soon as I trusted he knew what it was I wanted.

I don't have to use it for him to do it, he does it 99% of the time but I have the word there in case he gets the crazies and i need to remind him.
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Old 03-11-2013, 06:44 PM
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I trained my first border collie, Rush, to stop into 2o2o with the command "feet", and she will stop very consistently in competition with just the command, sometimes even without it. I will say nothing and say Go if I want her to keep running. She stresses at trials so sometimes I do that just to keep her momentum going.

My younger Border Collie, Maverick, was started on the same concept. Taught the end behavior, back chained, he still ran all his contacts. My trainer at the time wanted me to get him to do the end behavior whenever I said "walk-it", we did a LOT of work to make him have automatic contacts and it didn't work. After all that conditioning he would only stop in trials if I said "feet", which is his contact command as well. So now we practice with his old command, and all that conditioning worked, it just worked to make him stop with his command not automatic contacts.

I personally think its possible to train the behavior (most everyone at my old training club who started there with their puppies has an automatic stop), they just need to be trained it from the beginning. End behavior worked on, then back-chaining and then adding in the command for the d/w and aframe. I think because Maverick already had his dog-walk and aframe command he dismissed the end behavior because his dog-walk command was trained before I started conditioning an automatic stop. I think after a few years he will stop without a command, but seeing as how we just got through two trials with completely stopped contacts on ALL contact equipment (before he would think the teeter was an optional stop), I don't wanna take any chances.
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