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Old 03-11-2013, 06:59 PM
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Some of you may have seen this on FB....I have/had been getting a lot of comments lately on Limit in agility. I mostly blew them off because he's so young and sometimes puppies are ugly...Everything from he has bad hips, to he holds his back funny, to knees etc etc. The consensus was that structurally, he may not be good for agility.

So, I recently had him more officially evaluated by a close friend who has done very well in the agility world and also is familiar with working line Australian Kelpies (in Australia), who do agility. His structure is not so good Rear end assembly is not conducive to continued training in agility. He doesn't push off his rear, or use his rear to land, or stop - he depends solely on his front. I thought he was lazy, but she (and now I), could see his left knee specifically, give out at random on turns and hard pushes while running. She equated it to the way that some badly bred show line GSDs look - sort of loose, and unsupported in the rear, without the angulation of course. He also has little to no muscle low on his back legs (stifle area) - which for the amount of exercise he gets, is sort of odd. He also has very thin, sort of stringy muscle in his upper back legs. Once the weather is nice, hoping a lot of swimming will help that without causing issues.

I do not believe him to be in pain (which is where x-rays come in), but I am not one to train my dog in a sport that may or may not later cause serious physical damage. Luckily (or not), he doesn't care. He is a happy boy and is not one that "needs" to train every day or even every other day. He's very content rough housing with the other dogs, racing around the yard, and chewing on his toys in the living room, in the evenings. I am, of course, super sad that he is not going to be able to continue forward as my next performance dog.

I have been asked about rehoming him and...I do not know. In the past, when I've rehomed a dog, I've known beyond a shadow of a doubt, that this was best for the dog. Currently, this is so fresh, and I adore this dog so much, his issues are not "dangerous" to others (I've placed aggressive dogs in the past), or difficult to deal with myself (or dogs miserable in the multi-dog household), I am not able to objectively consider it at this time. I can't honestly say if he'd be better in an active pet home, because my heart is screaming "no, he's mine!". So, for the forseeable future, unless the perfect home is begging for him, or I can say clearly that he would be happier elsewhere, I am not listing him anywhere and he will continue to be my silly, spazzy, crazy little Kelpie.

He turned 10 months old on Saturday and we went for a romp at a friend's field. He's not grown much since about 6 months so I think his growth plates are probably about closed. I am going to neuter him soon, and have his hips, elbows, knees x-rayed.





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Old 03-11-2013, 07:12 PM
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I wouldn't rush into neutering him. A specialized vet/ortho person can feel if the last growth plate (on the sternum) has closed or not, without taking an x-ray. Possibly dysplastic dogs are the one specific area I am really opposed to neutering young. Let those hormones see what they can do, especially in regards to muscle development.
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:14 PM
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This just plain stinks. I'm sorry Falon.
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:15 PM
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I wouldn't rush into neutering him. A specialized vet/ortho person can feel if the last growth plate (on the sternum) has closed or not, without taking an x-ray. Possibly dysplastic dogs are the one specific area I am really opposed to neutering young. Let those hormones see what they can do, especially in regards to muscle development.
Wow, I was not aware of that. Do you think there is a benefit to waiting to have his x-rays done? I suppose I could do the x-rays first and then neuter later and then I'll know about his growth plates. I just do not like putting my dogs under multiple times if I can squeeze everything into one. I am completely ok with keeping him intact until later - I had planned to originally show him so that was the plan anyway.
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:17 PM
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This just plain stinks. I'm sorry Falon.
Thank you, really. 2013 so far has been rather a rough ride and this hit me very hard. It makes me feel a ton better that he is happy even without doing performance sports. Kastle would not be as happy I do not think. Of course having the support of numerous friends has made everything as easy as it can be under the circumstances.
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No advice or anything, but I'm really sorry as well. :-(
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Old 03-11-2013, 07:27 PM
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I'm sorry to, but I also agree I'd wait, he's only 10 months old, from what I've been told, and I could be wrong, but I thought growth plates aren't really closed until around 16-18 months..

I wouldn't count him out just yet, he may be in a funky growth spurt..Just my opinion)
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No real benefit to waiting on x-rays I'd say, but if you're just looking at growth plates... then you wouldn't need to? I'm fairly certain the chiro/rehab person we see "knows how."
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It sucks when your plans don't pan out. My agility pup has bad knees. Sucks bad.

I would recommend looking into vets and sports vets though. Getting a few opinions on things. When I first found out Mia had knee problems, I jumped to conclusions that she'd never be able to do what I wanted her to do. Luckily some people on here helped me step back and re-evaluate. With 2 vets' approval and the instructor we decided to start up. She's been fine so far but it is in the back of my mind that we may have to stop at any time.

Dogs don't know their structure isn't the best. Mia does so much worse to herself in every day life. It's not fair to stop her from doing that, she's so active.

I'm not saying jump the dog no matter what, I'm just saying I would hold off a while. Think things through. Get other opinions. And don't make any rash decisions right away. It HURTS a lot at first.

There's always the option of less taxing sports too. Nosework, obedience, rally, etc. You have Kastle to work at least (that's more than I have, my other dog is old lol). Agility is just a game though. I think it's important to remember that sometimes. I'm very guilty of thinking more of agility than it's worth. I have to remember agility is for the dogs, not the dogs for agility. Mia doesn't care if we do agility or if we don't. She just cares that we do things together. She likes nosework just as much (even if I don't).

People suggested I rehome one of mine. Sports has been a big deal for me and it's been a long journey to get involved in. I get frustrated sometimes because other people seem to get it a lot easier. But it's all about a journey. Rehoming a dog I adore over a game is not something I could do.

anyways, it sucks bad. I've been there.
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It sucks when your plans don't pan out. My agility pup has bad knees. Sucks bad.

I would recommend looking into vets and sports vets though. Getting a few opinions on things. When I first found out Mia had knee problems, I jumped to conclusions that she'd never be able to do what I wanted her to do. Luckily some people on here helped me step back and re-evaluate. With 2 vets' approval and the instructor we decided to start up. She's been fine so far but it is in the back of my mind that we may have to stop at any time.

Dogs don't know their structure isn't the best. Mia does so much worse to herself in every day life. It's not fair to stop her from doing that, she's so active.

I'm not saying jump the dog no matter what, I'm just saying I would hold off a while. Think things through. Get other opinions. And don't make any rash decisions right away. It HURTS a lot at first.

There's always the option of less taxing sports too. Nosework, obedience, rally, etc. You have Kastle to work at least (that's more than I have, my other dog is old lol). Agility is just a game though. I think it's important to remember that sometimes. I'm very guilty of thinking more of agility than it's worth. I have to remember agility is for the dogs, not the dogs for agility. Mia doesn't care if we do agility or if we don't. She just cares that we do things together. She likes nosework just as much (even if I don't).

People suggested I rehome one of mine. Sports has been a big deal for me and it's been a long journey to get involved in. I get frustrated sometimes because other people seem to get it a lot easier. But it's all about a journey. Rehoming a dog I adore over a game is not something I could do.

anyways, it sucks bad. I've been there.

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