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Old 02-27-2013, 10:40 AM
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Good vets are out there but finding a vet who, liability or not, trusts my knowledge and advocacy of my dogs is hard. No, you may not take my dog. I will let you handle them with a muzzle if you don't like me holding but I will not allow you to take them out of sight unless needed for a surgery or the like. I have special care dogs and they will be treated as such, pure and simple.

Additionally I am very open to discussions and in the end I almost always take their advice but I do find myself offended when a vet assumes I don't do my own research on the basics.

We had an amazing, good old country, vet growing up but after the move to Vegas I've seen so many vets that sucks, I avoid trying a new one and that shouldn't be happening.
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Old 02-27-2013, 10:51 AM
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I understand the new meeting and my vet not knowing me, which adds to my "ugh, time to start dating vets again". I understand their lack of openness to trust but frankly after having too many vets ignorant on behaviors and handling I fear their choices as much as they fear my potential for suing.

I had a vet tell me "it's okay, all dogs love me." I had a stranger aggressive rat terrier who hated men and had been puking for 24 hours, I feared muzzling for choking, and he jutted his hand at her like a noob only to have it bitten. Moron. I don't want another one of those.
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Old 02-27-2013, 10:52 AM
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ETA: But keep in mind, too, that especially with a new vet who doesn't know you from Adam... they don't really know how educated you are. And they don't know if you're that person who is going to sue them when their dog gets mammary cancer because they didn't tell you about the risks 15 years ago. There's a balance between informed consent/education and being flexible to an owner's philosophy. And some of the stuff on the internet is just plain wrong or they may not agree with it.
Yeah for real, working with the public and their dogs isn't easy. Most people who come through the doors of a vet clinic probably don't know much about their dogs at all.

I mean, sometimes when I'm entering vaccination info for dogs at work, I see that the dog had like 90 vaccines all on the same day and I'm tempted to criticize the vet for juicing the dog up like that. And then I remember that most of these pet owners are totally unwilling to have multiple appointments (even if they're not charged for an office visit!) and will sit there and demand that their dog recieves "ALL THE SHOT!!1!1"

And I also think about how when they want to board their dog and the dog hasn't had Bordatella (because it's not a core vaccine and the dog didn't need it previously, so good for you, vet, for not pushing it) they FREAK OUT, get angry at the clinic/vet, and start ranting about how they told the vet to do "ALL THE SHOT!!!1!1" and they're so MAD that the vet didn't give the dog ALL THE SHOTS. *facepalm* And they ignore me when I try to explain that there's no such thing as "all the shots" and their vet did a GOOD thing by not giving their dog a vaccine for no reason.

There's definitely a balancing act to be done, lol.
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Old 02-27-2013, 10:53 AM
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Well it's a process to get to know a client well enough to trust their knowledge. Because I guarantee you that a good percentage of people do not really understand the things they read or what research they have done and/or make bizarre cause and effect associations. There are absolutely clients whose judgment and knowledge I trust 100%, but it takes time and conversation to get to know someone well enough to reach that point and I admit it rarely happens in one visit.

On the flip side of that, too, it's nice when people trust ME enough to believe that I am making recommendations that I truly believe are best for their pet, and even if they differ from their opinions it is not because I am necessarily uneducated or money-grubbing but simply because I have drawn different conclusions from the information that is out there and/or because I've seen literally thousands of pets over my career so far... we do know some stuff and have our own experience. Ideally there is a relationship that develops between client and vet but it takes time and trust on both sides.

lol that turned into more of a vent than I meant it to be.

ETA: I have to say that I agree 100% that taking pets out of the room for minor procedures drives me bonkers. In rare cases a pet is easier to handle away from the owner but most people hate it, most pets hate it, and there really isn't any compelling reason to do it IMO.
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Old 02-27-2013, 10:57 AM
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I trust vets opinions on medical a ton more than it may appear, I'm more than anything concerned with their (those I have dealt with and fear dealing with in the future) knowledge of behavior and handling.

Shoot, you went to school a lot longer than I did and frankly I still expect people to trust me when I say I know my photography. lol
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Old 02-27-2013, 10:59 AM
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Yea the newer vets around here are much better educated on behavioral problems than I ever was in school, but most vets are woefully ignorant of normal behavior, dog manners, and training. I am by no means a super star in those fields but christ some of the things I hear coming out of vets' mouths make me cringe sometimes.
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Old 02-27-2013, 11:02 AM
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I must have fairly good luck - I usually go through just one clinic before I find a vet I click with in a new place and then I get to restrain my own animals for most things, the vets don't generally disparage my care decisions, etc.

Of course I also often schedule a plain physical exam appt to get to know the vet with no pressure, I jump in to restrain my dog (using a proper hold) before a tech can and or play cookie dispenser at my dog's head if someone else restrains, and in general, I'm relaxed but clear about things I don't want to be done.

Our current vet I kind of stumbled on just by being cheap (they are 10 mins from my house and the cheapest around) and in general I really like them, though I do have to be careful about which vaccines they use (no 7 ways please) and have to keep track of vaccine spacing myself. Every time I go in I end up talking to the vet about something dog health related in depth and ask questions for more info - I think that helps them see me as a team player and someone who does her research.
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Old 02-27-2013, 11:08 AM
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Ugh gotta love the look the vet tech just gave me when I argued vaccines with her and told her I do limited vaccines and that I don't put flea/tick meds on my dogs. She looked at me like I just told her I kick puppies. Oy vey. She told me that my dog's chances of getting sick are higher and that the only effective flea/tick treatment are topical flea and tick medication. Umm no. I use food grade DE on my dogs and have never had issues with fleas or ticks.

Also not happy that they just took my dog in the back to do her bloodwork. I'm not sure why they can't pull blood with me in the room? I can hear her in the back crying anytime they try to do something and I'm not happy about it.
Pulling blood work with the owner in the room is an insurance/liability issue at some places.
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Old 02-27-2013, 11:11 AM
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Three vents for me today:

Number one, I didn't bring enough dressing for my extra huge salad.
Two, I don't know if I have enough gas to make it to the gas station.
Three, I don't know if I have enough gas to make it to the gas station because I overslept this morning and didn't have time to stop at said gas station before work.

Le sigh. Let's hope I make it.
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Old 02-27-2013, 11:16 AM
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I'm trying out my fourth vet in Kalamazoo at the end of next month when HW test time comes... we'll see how that goes. I train in agility with her so I KNOW her and she knows Frag which is a plus... but, we'll see.

I need to be able to handle my own dogs, take them wherever necessary for blood draws, sedation, xrays, etc. and I don't need a vet to tell me my dog isn't vaccinated because it didn't get 4 dhpp shots and a rabies vaccine at the same time, plus lepto, and that I'm irresponsible for not neutering. :P

Also, if I know more about shot schedules and routines than a vet tech, I'm not going back. It's hard to find a good vet around here that trusts the human, knows SOMETHING, and doesn't hate Frag for growling at them or think he's a neurotic dog who should never meet other dogs, people, kids, or be allowed out of the house. /rant
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