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Old 02-03-2013, 12:11 AM
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Really, honestly IME stuff like not using the litterbox after being declawed, becoming a biter, trouble walking... after seeing literally hundreds of declawed cats over the years they just really truly aren't common problems if the procedure is done properly and there is adequate pain management.

I'd prefer if people didn't declaw their cats. But many cats simply would not have homes if they were not declawed. Cat > claws.
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Old 02-03-2013, 01:29 AM
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Really, honestly IME stuff like not using the litterbox after being declawed, becoming a biter, trouble walking... after seeing literally hundreds of declawed cats over the years they just really truly aren't common problems if the procedure is done properly and there is adequate pain management.

I'd prefer if people didn't declaw their cats. But many cats simply would not have homes if they were not declawed. Cat > claws.
False. The cats actually become so overcome with grief and distress that they commit suicide following their declawing.

True story.

Oh no wait. That, or they actually become well adjusted and content pets with no behavioral or medical issues. Obviously there is everything in between, too, but my cat is declawed and there's no way you'd be able to tell. Doesn't bite, still kneads, uses scratching posts, uses her litter box, and has no trouble putting an 80 lb dog and an obnoxious kitten in their places. There's also been more than a handful of declawed cats where I used to volunteer and there was never an issue with their behavior. I believe the concerns are valid, but I also believe that the likelihood of those concerns arising are greatly exaggerated.

An intact dog won't tend to roam if you don't give him the opportunity. A declawed cat shouldn't develop a tendency to bite if the cat isn't constantly put in a position to...? I'll admit I don't know much about cats, but it seems intuitive to me.

I'm not denying that declawing sucks, because it does. My cat was declawed in her previous home and I didn't know that she was until after I made an inquiry. I personally find it an awful procedure and hearing about it makes me wince. I wouldn't ever declaw my cats, and I have met some awful, pissy cats. But I agree with the idea that if a cat has to be declawed to have a permanent, responsible home, then so be it.
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:50 AM
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Most likely because you proclaim it inhibited their ability to communicate and ruined their interactions with other dogs and people. That has not been my experience with debarked dogs, I am guessing nor Alerons.

Was your experience of these debarked dogs through the shelter setting? Is it not possible there was another factor?

Ime debarked dogs bark, they just rasp, and are otherwise normal dogs.
That would be it

I actually had a dog here for a year or so for training that in the time I had her, went to get OFA'd and was debarked at the same time. Her owner debarks pretty much all of her dogs, whenever they are put under for something else. I got her back immediately after the debark and had her for a good 5 or so months after that. I did all of the aftercare on her and it seriously was no big deal at all. She was able to eat fine and was her normal happy self. The biggest issue was keeping her quiet for the following week so excess scar tissue didn't form. It was easy though, because she was already trained to a bark collar, so she just wore that during times she might be inclined to bark. She behaved exactly the same after the debark as she did before. No change in behavior at all.


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Wait, seriously? lol, they usually have so much hair I have a hard time telling the cropped from the uncropped dogs, never knew! And well, because of that to tell you the truth I don't really care either way with Pyr Sheps, I do like the nubby butts though.
Yep! That is the traditional crop for the breed but yeah, you can only really see it on the SFs and the demis. It requires almost no after care either, which is kind of nice as far as cropping go. People do get asked what happened to their dog's ears though :/

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Old 02-03-2013, 11:52 AM
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I am really happy that the two Pyr Sheps I know personally have their ears and tails! I couldn't imagine either of them without!
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:55 AM
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Yep! That is the traditional crop for the breed but yeah, you can only really see it on the SFs and the demis. It requires almost no after care either, which is kind of nice as far as cropping go. People do get asked what happened to their dog's ears though :/

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What is the benefit of this crop? I'm genuinely curious because it just looks kind of... dumb to me.
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:56 AM
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I want a Pyr Shep and I want it to have not cropped ears but for them to be pricked up anyways. And then I shall be happy.
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:58 AM
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I personally would never do it unless for medical reasons. However, I hold no qualms against people that choose to do it, SO LONG as they have a vet do it and don't try attempting it themselves.
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Old 02-03-2013, 12:01 PM
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What is the benefit of this crop? I'm genuinely curious because it just looks kind of... dumb to me.
It's to keep the tips from freezing off in the mountains while they work sheep.

Honestly, a crop like, while not particularly aesthetic, is more sensical than modern show crops.
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Old 02-03-2013, 01:37 PM
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I cannot even wrap my mind around cropping and docking, i cannot see it as anything but mutilation. I love ears and the end of the spine being cut of makes me want to weep.
Ears are beautiful.


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Old 02-03-2013, 01:42 PM
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It's to keep the tips from freezing off in the mountains while they work sheep.

Honestly, a crop like, while not particularly aesthetic, is more sensical than modern show crops.
Yep that was my thoughts too. Not as pretty but more functional. In most roughs you really can't see it either.



I want my pyrshep to be natural all around. It seems like there are options out there but some of the breeders I like do crop or dock.
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