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Old 01-28-2013, 09:13 AM
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After the fight I mentioned that maybe we could test out gating Lincoln in the kitchen by himself while we're both out and having the other 2 separated too (a 3 way split) and see what happens. I'm wondering if Lincoln can't see him/us come home (but can hear the truck, it's pretty loud) he might be inclined to simply lay down and wait because he can't see him out the window. And if he's not around the others, it won't cause tension with excitement. He got offended when I mentioned it, so I dropped it.
I think separating when you're not home to manage is your best option. I wouldn't trust Lincoln out with the other dogs when you're not there - it sounds like it was a bad fight and the more times the behavior is practiced the more it's going to happen. When you are home you can work on doing things with Lincoln when your OH gets home(I know he's not your dog but your OH seems completely disinclined to work on this so it's probably going to fall on you ).

We have a similar issue (excitement triggering a fight) in our house. What we've done is set up a system where we call each other before we get home. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. That way we can either separate the girls, or set up the situation to be managed.

My management system goes like this:

- Matt calls to let me know he's on the way home.
- I make sure that I have treats somewhere near me (I usually keep a stockpile in the end table). I try to make sure that none of the dogs know I have them, I don't want it to be a bribe, I want to reward them for the right behavior.
- When Matt's car pulls into our cul de sac everyone goes on alert. In the beginning this point is where I started stuffing treats into Mu (who is the attacker in this situation). We're at the point now where I can wait until Matt actually gets in the door to reward her. If she's acting really antsy I will click/treat for looking at me before he gets to the door.

Using this method we've gone from a near certain fight to almost no fights ever (for this particular situation). For us it had the added benefit of desensitizing Mu to trucks pulling in and out of the cul de sac, which was another trigger.

My dream goal that will probably never happen? When Matt gets home and/or someone knocks on our door all the dogs go straight to their mats and stay there. I currently don't have ONE dog that will do this (although Mu will stay in one place as long as its near me) so this is really a pie in the sky goal.

I hope this helps! It's a sucky situation but if this is the only area you've had fights in and you've only had the one it should be pretty easy to manage.

ETA: I forgot to mention - in the beginning of us working on this I was actually contributing to the fights. The dogs would alert to something in the street and I would get SUPER anxious. Which they picked up on, which made them more stressed out, which caused a fight. The biggest thing I did to help this was to SHUT UP and take deep breaths. When we go through our routine I generally don't say anything at all. I focus on rewarding at the right time and taking deep breaths. I don't know if this is an issue you'll encounter but I thought I'd mention it because it took me forever to figure out what was happening.

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Old 01-28-2013, 10:43 AM
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My dogs are separated when I am not home. We are currently working on door manners here. When the door opens, they use to bum rush it. Now, they are all learning to sit at the threshold between the kitchen and living room. It takes work but it does save fights. I don't have the problem with fighting, my dogs are just rude assholes to guests. Lol They love people too much. Once they learned that I was more exciting than ths guests, we've had some good training sessions. Maybe that will help you.
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Old 01-28-2013, 04:01 PM
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I have to rotate Elsa with the dogs. She hates Jack, and there is no way I will even bother introducing Jonas to her or expect them to ever live in harmony. Thankfully, our house is four floors one of which is an entire apartment attached. She has full roam of that apartment when she's away.

A normal day with work is I get up to feed and let my crew outside. Put them up and let Elsa out with Shambles. Train with them, take them out and about, and she's out for about two hours. When I put her up I take Sham out for his ride, then take the other dogs out for their walking/training/whatever. I go to work at 2 PM, the rest of the day my boyfriend rotates the groups free range in the house for two hours at a time. Continues until 11 PM when I go down into the apartment and hang out with just Elsa.

It works, but it will wear on you. I will be excited to find Elsa's forever home in that respect so she doesn't have to be rotated all day.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:58 PM
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Based on what you said, I agree with separating them while you are not home.

This is why I love crates, it makes my life so much easier since my two can't really be together at all.
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Old 01-29-2013, 06:48 PM
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So far the rotation is going well. The boys are now used to the new schedule and know what to do when the time comes to rotate.

Timber seems fine when he sees Dallas during rotation, no posturing or tension. Dallas on the other hand is still apprehensive at times, with reason though. Sometimes, but not always he seems tense and a little defensive when he sees Timber, but not always.

I'm still doing a 3 way split. I want to wait until Dallas is completely healed in case he gets cranky with the others around his swollen and sore leg.

I'm hoping with time they can be good with one another again. I'm not going to hold my breath on it, but hope it can come true in the future.

I was thinking of taking both of them out for walks together, not any time soon though. Would that be a good idea? Any other suggestions for re-establishing trust between 2 dogs and confidence building for Dallas?
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