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Old 12-28-2005, 08:52 AM
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Ok I can understand that you only want outside dogs, although I don't personally see the point, but like everyone I think that THIS dog doesn't want to be outside alone, he wants to be with his family. So I don't think there is any way to train the dog to stop going on the patio except to physically make it impossible. And then you will have one unhappy dog.

So in my opinion also you should rehome the dog, and get a dog that is more independent. Also, you said you got it at 6 weeks, which is too young for a pup to be seperated from his mom, so it might be the reason he acts this way too, apart from the fact that labs love being with people of course.

Honestly, I think you should just consider another breed.

But just a side note, you won't get any respect for your situation if you don't try to respect the point of view of people who let their dogs inside, even if you disagree with it. No, we're not all childless people either who take dogs as a replacement for children. The reason lots of us don't have children is because we biologically can't, or are too young, or live alone, or just don't want them (but it's called 'choice'). And because dogs come inside doesn't mean that they poop everywhere either, it's called 'housetraining'. So you should probably learn a bit more about that 'extreme world' before criticizing what you have no clue about. Oh, and learn about dog breeds too.
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Old 12-28-2005, 04:26 PM
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when you buy a puppy, you understand that he's entering your family. I mean, what did you buy him for? simply to use up your money and take some pictures of him? he wants love, he wants to be near you. give him the chance.
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Old 12-28-2005, 06:21 PM
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chugalug,

This thread has really tugged at my heart. I have been reading each post and trying to put myself in your position, and I am glad I am not really there.

I have refrained from posting cause I know I somehow offend people with the way I post on a forum. But here goes:

I want to help you for the sake of your dog. And I do not believe getting another dog would be an answer, and I do not believe subjecting a different breed would help either. Maybe a trainer could help you, I don't know. But I doubt it. Cause the problem is: The dog just wants to belong. You have said yourself that in every other way the dog is great. Okay, so the only problem with your dog is stareing and getting a window dirty? You have it so much easier than I did!!!!!!

I know you are looking for training answers and techniques, but you have given your take on the way a dog should be treated, so in all fairness I would like you to listen to my take on how a dog should be treated. I have a choc lab, a yellow lab, and a german shepherd. My labs are both hunting dogs, and the shepherd is a patrol dog. They are all welcome in my home, but the yellow lab has aggression problems towards female dogs, so that has hampered my efforts somewhat. Her and the shepherd must be seperated at all times. So the result is Shiloh the yellow lab stays in the basement or in a kennel. But all that is a last resort. So for the most part I have my choc lab, and the shepherd in the house alot. They also like to go outside and run in my fenced yard. But they would starve for attention if I made them stay outside all the time. They are very social dogs and belonging to their human pack is very important to them. I can just picture your lab sitting outside the glass doors staring at your family going about their business. I don't even see how that could embarass you in front of company, I would be embarassed for myself. At this moment good Ole' Charlie is laying under my feet, Shiloh is in the basement, and Rocket is at work with hubby. And believe me if Shiloh did not errupt with this aggressive streak, she would be in here too. Now, you might be thinking I treat my dogs as children, but that is so untrue!! My dogs are dogs, and they need companionship. I have three children too, and luckily they would wonder why if their dogs were not allowed in our home. My labs can bring in a goose or duck, and then come in the house when they all get home. Of course I don't have white carpet or polished timbers, lol, but I do have well rounded good dogs, (except for Shilohs aggression towards female dogs, not everything can be perfect).

If my husband told me I couldn't have dogs in our house, we'll I would have never married him in the first place. And if my kids find a dog hair in their dinner, they pick it out, and eat the rest. No grossing out, and no complaining, they are learning compassion for animals. I am really proud of that. And I don't think anyone ever got sick from my cooking, or our dogs. lol

If I didn't have to clean up dog hair and water bowl drool, I would be lost, literally. Something very important to me would be missing.

But one thing I don't have is excrement in my house. Just because a dog is inside does not mean that he/she spreads dog poop all over. All my dogs are fully housebroken and trustful.

Now, to try to help with what you asked, a trainer: maybe, If all you want to do is keep the dog away from that glass door, maybe you could buy some "dog off" and spray it on the deck in front of the door. I don't know if it even works but it might be helpful in your goal. I have never used it before, but who knows it might work. My guess is you would have to use it pretty often.

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If I were not already happily married, I would be chasin' you! lol

Anyway, I hope you will see many other people live happily together with their dogs in their home, I know it won't change your mind, but I wanted you to see another side, and from a person that does not treat her dogs, as her children.

Best wishes,
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Old 12-28-2005, 06:39 PM
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My grandmother has had dogs on her farm for her entire life and none of them have been allowed in the house. But she also spent most of her time outside anyway, it being a farm and all and she always had at least two. This lab that I'm looking to get and train for her will be her first 'inside' dog but seeing as how it's going to be a service dog, it has to be.

For the record, I do let my dog sleep in bed with me, but it's mostly because I like the companionship and I get cold very easily. My dog is working when I'm sleeping; he's my portable furnace.
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Old 12-28-2005, 06:55 PM
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I think if you have never known the true bond you can have with an animal that is part of your 'pack' you really can't know what you are missing. My dogs protect their family not just their territory. They accept people that I accept and look to me for clues about how to handle certain situations. While I hear what you are saying I just can't fully understand the idea of not letting a pack animal be with it's pack. My dogs aren't surrogate children. I love them like children but they don't replace any future children that I might have. I have plenty of room in my heart to nurture them all.



Mikey was definitely let inside after I took this picture.
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Old 12-28-2005, 07:11 PM
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Tessa, look you don't understand me and I don't understand you and I certainly don't want to understand your point of view. If you don't have a solution, then you are a problem so please buzz off and stop filling my thread with your drivel.

The same goes for the rest of you that have a distorted view of the boundary between human and canine. I'm here looking for an answer and not to listen to you pontificate or to lecture me how I should be loving my dog.
Sorry for such a late response. You obviously are not here to learn. Because of that, no one here, nor I, can help you.
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Old 12-28-2005, 07:28 PM
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Wow. This thread breaks my heart How can you resist a dog, locked outside, just wanting to be close to his family? He's not being deprived of anything? OMG! Do you know nothing of dogs? He's beind deprived of human companionship, why else would he be trying to get as close to you as possible?

Why can't the dog be on the patio in the first place? And sorry, but I have no advice to offer you except to get the dog a home where he will be loved and appreciated for being a social creature, and not locked in the yard and ignored. Don't get another dog, you don't even deserve the one you have.
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Old 12-28-2005, 08:07 PM
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Wow. This thread breaks my heart How can you resist a dog, locked outside, just wanting to be close to his family? He's not being deprived of anything? OMG! Do you know nothing of dogs? He's beind deprived of human companionship, why else would he be trying to get as close to you as possible?

Why can't the dog be on the patio in the first place? And sorry, but I have no advice to offer you except to get the dog a home where he will be loved and appreciated for being a social creature, and not locked in the yard and ignored. Don't get another dog, you don't even deserve the one you have.
Ditto! Amen! I hope the dog runs away and finds a new home.
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Old 12-28-2005, 08:10 PM
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Thank you for replying. I thought I said all this in my original post though I admit, in a really long winded way.

So I guess I have only one real question to put to the Training Forum, how do I train my dog to keep off the patio?

When you say invisible fence, are you talking out the shock collar and the underground wire because I couldn't bring myself to do this. I'd much rather put as much time as it takes for training. It's just that I don't know how to go about it for this particular situation.

As much as we all love the dog, he ain't stepping foot in the house under any circumstance. He's not a surrogate child for us. He's a pet.
This pretty much tells the story.

The dog is telling you what he needs. He needs to be a member of his pack, which is your family.

The KIND thing to do is to fence the patio so you can stop SCREAMING at the poor dog to GET AWAY FROM THE PATIO DOOR so you do not have to look at his inconvenient paw prints and his longing eyes that yearn for closeness with you, his family.

Using an invisible fence is INFINITELY more humane than screaming at the dog every time you catch him longingly looking inside where you are.

If you really do intend to keep your yard ornament, you owe it to him to engage in some good training on a regular basis so he can have some sort of bond with you other than having you shout at him to get off your lovely patio and stop with his inconvenient paw and nose prints, and those annoying longing glances.
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Old 12-28-2005, 08:22 PM
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You can't train a dog anything if you have no relationship with him. A good, close, bond as a dog has with his pack is the only reason a dog has to live. What you're doing, depriving the dog of his natural way of living, not only being a pack animal, but being domestic.... and the way you're thinking is despicable. What you need is a stuffed animal, not a living creature. Please re-home the poor dog. All your problems will be over.
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