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Old 01-19-2013, 10:18 AM
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Thanks! I downloaded and am reading it...with a grain of salt of course. I will come back and comment when finished.
Is this the guy who does not believe in pet overpopulation? If so, I'll wait to see what you think about it before reading it myself-lol...
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Old 01-19-2013, 10:40 AM
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I tried but it's charging me ten bucks to buy.... maybe not for Canada?
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Old 01-19-2013, 11:13 AM
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Is this the guy who does not believe in pet overpopulation? If so, I'll wait to see what you think about it before reading it myself-lol...
Yep, that's him. I'm about 40% through it. It's worth a read.

I'm highlighting through the book so I can go back and research some of his claims (I'm a nerd like that ). I think he is a little whimsical, though his points are valid. He puts a lot of stuff on paper that those close to the sheltering system know. The book probably should have been titled "Why PETA and HSUS is bad". He does continue to claim that pet overpopulation is a myth, but the book is more about compiling the various incidents that have happened at shelters, and about how HSUS/ASPCA fight against shelter reform.
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Old 01-19-2013, 12:05 PM
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I personally agree with his view on the myths regarding overpopulation. It isn't just "pet overpopulation is a myth the end". What he's saying is that overpopulation is a regional issue as opposed to the extreme nationwide crisis that commercials and some rescue workers make people believe.

I personally wish more people would read Redemption and Friendly Fire.
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Old 01-19-2013, 12:53 PM
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I am only 10% of the way through this. I wanted to post as I was reading.

First off, I'm not sure what the 'point' is. Is it shelters are bad? Is the author trying to get us to fight to get some laws/regulations in place to protect the animals? I'm not sure what's going on here.

Second, there are extreme, sweeping, generalizations about people who work/have worked at shelters. The author seems to be saying that basically anyone who works at a shelter does not care about the animals. I find that extremely offensive and wrong.

I am saddened by some of these examples, though. I hope that policies can be changed to make shelters a better place for animals. I do not think all shelters are bad, though. And not all people working at shelters are morbid and cruel.

My big problem with this (so far) is: If people don't take their animals to places like their local shelter and Humane Society, where do you think they will take them? I'm guessing the local pond, instead of the local pound.

I'll continue reading the book and I hope these questions get addressed. There are valid points, but there are also some troubling areas.
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Old 01-19-2013, 01:12 PM
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I think the point is to show that there is a lot wrong with the way things are handled now. Nitpicking reasons for turning people away. He has been talking about how poorly shelters communicate with one another for years now. Based on how many shelters import from other countries, I'd have to agree with him. There is something wrong.
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My big problem with this (so far) is: If people don't take their animals to places like their local shelter and Humane Society, where do you think they will take them? I'm guessing the local pond, instead of the local pound.
How 'bout to the vet to get spayed/neutered? How 'bout doing a little research and time management before buying a dog. We all know not all breeds fit everyone's lifestyle. If people would research and buy from a responsible breeder who will take back a dog if it doesn't work out we'd all be in a better place.

If you don't want a dog from a breeder there will always be plenty in rescue, and I hope good, responsible rescues take back dogs who aren't a good fit for their new family.

There are always a million different options and most people only want the quick, anonymous way out... just drop it at the shelter. Then they can turn a blind eye and assume their dogs problems are pushed off on someone else, and if the dogs fate is less than stellar it wasn't the previous owner who had to face that.
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Old 01-19-2013, 01:21 PM
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How 'bout to the vet to get spayed/neutered? How 'bout doing a little research and time management before buying a dog. We all know not all breeds fit everyone's lifestyle. If people would research and buy from a responsible breeder who will take back a dog if it doesn't work out we'd all be in a better place.

If you don't want a dog from a breeder there will always be plenty in rescue, and I hope good, responsible rescues take back dogs who aren't a good fit for their new family.

There are always a million different options and most people only want the quick, anonymous way out... just drop it at the shelter. Then they can turn a blind eye and assume their dogs problems are pushed off on someone else, and if the dogs fate is less than stellar it wasn't the previous owner who had to face that.
It would be GREAT if people did that. But that's a huge IF. People SHOULD do some digging before they get a dog. They should figure out to train the dog and work the dog. But they don't. You can try to educate people, but it's hard to get to everyone. There are people who don't think twice about having a child, I seriously doubt they'll research dog breeds.

I would love it if people did everything they should do, but they don't. I just don't see that as a realistic solution. Not yet, at least.
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Old 01-19-2013, 01:32 PM
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I believe there is an extreme issue with people not being able to SPEAK UP. You can't speak up because you don't want to lose your job. You can't speak up because who cares what some silly animal lover is saying. You can't speak up for fear the shelter will just start killing ALL animals and not allowing adoptions (there are places like this). You can't speak up because the shelter will stop your rescue from pulling from them. You can't speak up because you are afraid you will not be able to adopt from them, or volunteer. You can't speak up because they are run by the agencies that you would be complaining to!

Early last year, I came across this walker hound in a shelter in NC. I was just immediately drawn to her. The shelter is small (12 kennels or so) and she had been there a few weeks. I watched her, her status said 'Urgent' but no date was given. One of the volunteers came on and said she needs out NOW..obviously was going to be PTS. I was game to at least foster...started posting on there, trying to get her up here, had plans in place. While making plans another adopter came forward, which was fantastic. The dog was arranged to be pulled the next day, temp fostered and then transported. Guess what? She was PTS the next morning. "Oh there was a communication error, the FB page is only run by volunteers, and the shelter didn't get the message". That is absolutely unacceptable. I wrote a letter to every freaking news outlet there (no one responded), wrote a letter to every agency in that county and state (everyone responded with "NOT MY PROBLEM"). The one person that did respond said he would look into the issue further, but never followed up. I did some googling about the person who did respond, and he is buddies with the sheriff that runs the shelter. There needs to be some sort of accountability for these shelters. And then, after all was said and done, in the same breath the people working on the dog said "RIP Baby girl, but it's not the ACO's fault, they work so hard...". Yeah. 12 kennels...they work so hard .

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My big problem with this (so far) is: If people don't take their animals to places like their local shelter and Humane Society, where do you think they will take them? I'm guessing the local pond, instead of the local pound.

I'll continue reading the book and I hope these questions get addressed. There are valid points, but there are also some troubling areas.
There is one shelter that I'm aware of here that is open admission. They aren't shy to say they euthanize for space. I don't believe they have an issue finding homes for the dogs though. But...otherwise...there are no places to take dogs here. There isn't a problem with dumped dogs so much (the only dogs I've picked up wandering, actually belonged to people looking for them). If you need a home for a dog, you go to craigslist or network with friends. Each town has one ACO, and that person only deals with dogs, and they place the few dogs they do pick up privately or with rescues.

There are problems with pit bulls and cats here though. Every rescue, shelter, etc is inundated with cats and pit bulls.
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