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Old 01-14-2013, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by AdrianneIsabel View Post
But then you bred a dog that didn't have it in them... no?

I honestly don't care that much but I worry that it's a relative cop-out for most dogs to claim inability to title before breeding.

Sloan has been barely trialed (due to time and money), compared to those who campaign, with a brand spanking new handler and she has entry level titles and is ready to trial in mid level categories in agility, obedience, and schutzhund. She's also a world invitee for two dock diving organizations, she's been tested at barn hunts, has her CGC, has dappled in k9NW, and many other extra funs to evaluate her. That said, she's under 3 and all of this was accomplished before 2.5.

Some dogs mature later (Backups line is notorious for waiting until 2-3 to "normalize"), some handlers struggle, but far too often it begs the question: if you can't put anything on the dog before two years old how is it you've really tested (put their drive, social stability, structure, and brain to the test in a more challenging setting than the back yard or a training field) the dog for breed worthiness? If this can be answered reasonably then, to each their own.
^This bears reading twice.

Heck even my little velociraptor terrier who came home at 1 year old to a rookie trainer with no intentions of trialing ever had his ARCHX and RL3 and U-CD (APDT rally championship title, level 3 title, and novice obedience title) before the age of 3. And he was a fairly major project dog with a questionable temperament to start.

Yeah they aren't super high end titles but they are a fairly strong objective measurement of his ability to work in such an environment (even stronger if you consider his scores) and as a result of them and the training that went in to them I could speak more thoroughly and with specific examples about his drives, personality, quirks, ability to deal with pressure, etc. Like I said before, it doesn't have to be the highest of levels...not everyone has that kind of time/money/etc., but this is not an all-or-nothing scenario.

A very experienced breeder who is also getting objective evaluaions from a knowledgeable third party (or parties) and who works the dogs in non-titling ways, fine. But especially for relatively rookie breeders? Sounds like a cop-out.
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