Breeder Recommendations

[Lyzelle]

I'm not sure an off switch exists on any puppy. I think they grow them. Eventually. Some don't, though. Zander didn't even sleep until he was three years old, I believe.

[AdrianneIsabel]

Originally Posted by Lyzelle

Also considering:
German Shepherd
Doberman
Border Collie
Belgian Malinois (for shits and giggles, I know they come in many different flavors, like GSDs and BC's)

Type of dog we are looking for, across the board, is a more drivey dog with tons of energy but stable temperament and decent off switch. Primarily pet, but depending on the dog it might be my project dog to dabble in this or that sport. We are looking at working dogs for a reason, so conformation-only oriented breeders are out. If they do both, awesome.

Breeder has to be okay with a young military couple. We are young. We are military. No getting around that. All health testing applicable to the breed, of course, all the usual good-breeder material. Non-crazy people without crazy questionnaires are also nice.

Bonus if they are in Europe, since we will be in Italy.

Ready. Set. Go.

I don't think a malinois is exactly what you're seeking (I doubt you're serious you say it's only shits n giggles?) but if you get a Kastle like GSD you'd be scoring I bet.

Also I can recommend a few border collies but it's one of those breeds where you need to be specific about type. I bet you could find a killer farm collie over there.

I love Dobes! Are you sure about their biddability? Breed restrictions on base? Health issues?

Have you considered other herding or working dogs? Why did these get the narrow down?

Maybe a beauceron? Or an ES? Or an Aussie?

[Barbara!]

I'll say I'm definitely biased and think you should get a Rhodesian Ridgeback.

[Lyzelle]

Originally Posted by AdrianneIsabel

I don't think a malinois is exactly what you're seeking (I doubt you're serious you say it's only shits n giggles?) but if you get a Kastle like GSD you'd be scoring I bet.

Yep, pretty much. I knew they come in some amount of variety, but I wasn't sure how much they varied, so it was really a more of non-serious thing. If they came in what I was looking for...cool. If not, no biggie.

Originally Posted by AdrianneIsabel

Also I can recommend a few border collies but it's one of those breeds where you need to be specific about type. I bet you could find a killer farm collie over there.

Border Collies are confusing when it comes to type, thus why they were on the considering list too. I know I can answer questions about what I like/don't like about aspects of the breed. I like the energy and loyalty, and general goofy attitude, for example, but I couldn't begin to tell you which type whatever traits fall into. I also know I love Bridadoon's BCs and the personality she often talks about with her dogs. But I believe hers are British lines? And I can't figure out how to search breeders by the type of dog they breed. Between Border Collies and GSDs, I get the biggest headache ever searching for breeders.

Italy seems to be more of a hunting/water dog/spaniel crowd, though I'm sure I could probably find some farm collies as well. We'll see when I get over there!

Originally Posted by AdrianneIsabel

I love Dobes! Are you sure about their biddability? Breed restrictions on base? Health issues?

There is no base housing at Aviano, so the AF's BSL is zilch. So I was able to add in Dobes. It's a breed I'm learning about, but I'm growing to like. Health issues I can deal with, although I know it's a bit of a heartbreak breed. Overall, I would prefer a healthier breed. But if a particular breeder has a good track record with the health of their dogs, then I can go in aware of the possibilities but more confident in my decision.

I'm used to Sibes who could care less about people, and mastiffs who want nothing more but to go to the bathroom with you and do everything to make you happy. Biddability isn't a huge factor for this particular dog. If it were, I would probably take Sibes down and save them for later.

Originally Posted by AdrianneIsabel

Have you considered other herding or working dogs? Why did these get the narrow down?

On other breeds, I prefer the breeder over the breed. For example, I will always love Sibes and Rhodies. I don't like the crowd in Sibes, but I can put up with it for the breed. But I really only care for GSDs of a certain type/temperament. Never gave a thought to Aussies before Fran and Toller posted their experience with Oracle. It's more of an all or nothing, I guess. I can't seem to get interested in certain breeds outside of certain lines or breeders, so I don't really consider myself interested in the breed as a whole. That's why many breeds I could consider aren't necessarily on the list.

Originally Posted by AdrianneIsabel

Maybe a beauceron? Or an ES? Or an Aussie?

I'm open to most breeds of herding and working dogs, as long as they fit what I want, as I said above. Beauceron's have always had my eye, but I don't know much about them. Same with ES. Aussie I never considered until I learned about Oracle.

[vandog]

Have you checked for breed restrictions on base in Italy?

[Lyzelle]

Originally Posted by vandog

Have you checked for breed restrictions on base in Italy?

I said above:

There is no base housing at Aviano, so the AF's BSL is zilch.

We're on the economy.

[FG167]

Originally Posted by AdrianneIsabel

if you get a Kastle like GSD you'd be scoring I bet.

Also I can recommend a few border collies but it's one of those breeds where you need to be specific about type. I bet you could find a killer farm collie over there.

<3 Love my Kastle Seriously though, if you contacted my breeder and told him you wanted an active house pet that could perhaps dabble in some sports, I think you'd be happy. However, Kastle was the largest puppy by far in his litter, and now he's the smallest adult. He weighs 62 lbs at 1.5 years, his half brother weighs 95 lbs at 3 years. Puppy = crapshoot.

I really like farm/cattle-bred BCs. We have a sporter collie, he's Jason's, and while I love him, he's very sweet, he's a pansy and WAY more soft than what I like. I like sensitive, but tough dogs. The cattle-bred BCs I've seen are that way. I was seriously looking that way when I came across Kelpies and seems like a lot of cattle farms are crossing BC/Kelpie so the temperament must be similar...I just prefer Kelpies overall There is no health testing (IME) in the farm dogs, but they're also super, duper cheap. Most I was looking at were about $400 from working parents.

[AdrianneIsabel]

I also see a fair number of mcnab/border collies here too. I am sure it's for the same goal.

[FG167]

Originally Posted by AdrianneIsabel

I also see a fair number of mcnab/border collies here too. I am sure it's for the same goal.

I know one from those lines that is a really cool, solid dog. Flyball and herding.

[monkeys23]

Funny enough the people down the road from my parent's have a couple McNab/Kelpie crosses they kept out of their Kelpie girl and their now deceased old McNab guy. Really excellent working dogs. They work cattle on the ranch and help when they ride BLM during summer when the cows are out on the range. Serendipitously she has a new young McNab boy she got the last spring, he's her old boy's nephew.

Honestly... you've wanted a RR. Just get one! They are good combo with the fluffy butt's too.

I also have to enable the whole contacting Kastle's breeder thing though... I bet you'd be extremely happy with what you get there!

I am also one who prefers the farm/cattle bred BC's. Not at all fond of the super soft sport and sheepdog trial bred dogs. Granted I was really ruined by the awesome dog I grew up with.