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Old 11-07-2012, 12:34 PM
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Yes I know which is unfair IMHO, that a tiny state like New York has more reps then a giant state like Alaska doesn't seem like some states get a fair shake in the house to me.

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That doesn't even make sense....even if we went by popular vote...Alaskan's votes wouldn't count more because there's less of them. The acreage doesn't get to vote. Just each person.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:38 PM
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That doesn't even make sense....even if we went by popular vote...Alaskan's votes wouldn't count more because there's less of them. The acreage doesn't get to vote. Just each person.
I meant state representatives I wasn't referencing the popular vote
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:42 PM
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I meant state representatives I wasn't referencing the popular vote
Well, Alaska has one rep. Their population is roughly 750,000.
New York has 29 reps.
750,000 x 29 = 21,750,000

Population of New York State is roughly 20,000,000.

So it's about right.
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Yes I know which is unfair IMHO, that a tiny state like New York has more reps then a giant state like Alaska doesn't seem like some states get a fair shake in the house to me.
First, size has nothing to do with how many electoral ores or reps ones gets, it the amount of people that live there. Size is irrelevant.

Second, New York, while not massive like Alaska or Texas, is not a tiny state size wise.
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Was Maine the only state to elect an Independent party Senator?


A few weeks ago, I told my mom and my best friend Jill Stein had been arrested. Both of these people consider themselves politically active and savvy. My mom said "Who is that?" and my friend said "Is that some trashy pop star or something?"
Vermont re-elected Bernie Sanders. (Dem-Socialist, Progressive, Green)
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We haven't been in a globalized world for the past few centuries. Americans are now seeing what other countries are getting - free higher education, socialized medicine, etc...and they want it. Fifty years ago you couldn't just pop online and start asking someone in Denmark what their government was like, you had to actually do research and people wouldn't bother. Now, people hear Canadians and Danes and the French bragging about their progressive systems and they want that, too.
This is the problem with entitlements. All they see is the word FREE. They have no idea what that actually entails. All these people say they are getting Obama money, well it isn't actually coming out of HIS pocket.

The people that want the free don't know what it is like to have 50% of their income that they busted their ass for taken away and handed out to people who aren't working.

And I **** sure guarantee I would be a hell of a lot more willing to donate money to causes when the government wasn't deciding for me what kind of corrupt individuals or programs it went to.

AND our gov't does not have a good track record for taking care of programs. America has nearly 9 times the population of Canada. There is a big difference in taking care of 35 million people and taking care of 300 million people.
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Ok, so take free health care.

Make that instead that I pay into the largest insurance pool possible. One that can bargain for me to lower costs of drugs and treatments. One that can't dump me if I get sick. One that would actually take me with a pre-existing condition.

Yep. I'm still taking that.

I think we (Americans) have an irrational fear of government. Somehow "no taxation without representation" became "no taxes." Those are VERY different statements to me.
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One more. When discussing state size, don't. Just don't. Don't even look at those pretty red-blue maps.

This is better. It replaces area with population.


This is based on a polling projection, so Fl might flip, but it seems right otherwise. There are ones from 08 with county data and a red- purple- blue scale, but there does not seem to be a new one out yet. Also, reading the shades of purple is hard for me. :P
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And I **** sure guarantee I would be a hell of a lot more willing to donate money to causes when the government wasn't deciding for me what kind of corrupt individuals or programs it went to.
You might. Most people probably would not. So what's your solution, let people who can't find a job starve?
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:20 PM
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This is the problem with entitlements. All they see is the word FREE. They have no idea what that actually entails. All these people say they are getting Obama money, well it isn't actually coming out of HIS pocket.

The people that want the free don't know what it is like to have 50% of their income that they busted their ass for taken away and handed out to people who aren't working.

And I **** sure guarantee I would be a hell of a lot more willing to donate money to causes when the government wasn't deciding for me what kind of corrupt individuals or programs it went to.

AND our gov't does not have a good track record for taking care of programs. America has nearly 9 times the population of Canada. There is a big difference in taking care of 35 million people and taking care of 300 million people.
People think a lot of stupid things, so I'm sure plenty of people actually do think they're getting this stuff for "free", but I don't think that's the case with most voters.

Socialized medicine, education, etc. is working in MANY countries. That's undeniable. Their economies are strong, crime rates are low, unemployment is low, they're making strides in education, science, medicine. People there are happy with the way things are. That's just as much, if not more, incentive for people than $$$$$. People KNOW they pay much higher taxes in socialized countries. They just happen to think it's worth it. Not unemployed people, people on welfare, drug addicts, people abusing the system...successful doctors, lawyers, teachers, business owners in the community. They're willing to pay A LOT in taxes to further education, medicine, science, to give people who work hard and still can't afford privatized medicine, a chance.

I'm not saying it's better or worse than capitalism or fiscally conservative, republican American ideas. But it's what the majority of people want. And it's not because they're stupid or misinformed, it's because they value a lot of things over holding onto all their income, tooth and nail.
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