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Old 11-06-2012, 04:37 PM
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Lol, I know what a pivot is. I just wanted to have a game plan before I started working on it. :]
Never doubted you did, my point was just that there is more to it than a perch-style butt spin an to make sure your dog understands each element before putting them together.
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:57 PM
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Never doubted you did, my point was just that there is more to it than a perch-style butt spin an to make sure your dog understands each element before putting them together.
Ah yes--that does make sense. :]
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:09 PM
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Perch work + making sure your dog understands moving backward and laterally while in heel. In a true left pivot the human is staying in place and "turning on a dinner plate" so the dog is not only pivoting but also backing in an arch to stay in position.
And by dog make sure your feet stay in that **** dinner plate!!
Me and my ring nerves managed to lose 10 points on this pivot because not only did I step out of the pie plate, I also took two shuffle steps forward (which thoroughly confused my poor dog as you can see).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H8Y3EJp_Tw
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:15 PM
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I have gotten great pivots by teaching the dog to heel backwards first. Then back in a small circle.. then voila a pivot.
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:22 PM
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I started with perch as well (I lured, no shaping), these are just my own videos...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omYwUYiapII (at 1:30)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9ztOJ-LJ0k

After he learned how to lure and flip on the perch, I moved to the ground (he is very young here so it's just for fun), at about 1:12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7_h6v3Tkic

Starting to ask for it on verbal (I start him at an angle, not perpendicular to me) by the wall to help guide him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPZaXo44-A4

The flip is one of his favorite maneuvers, but I don't have any recent vids of it...this is closer to what it looks like now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtNWgGa7vJo

Although this shows his understanding of the left turn:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpWdgptBOA4
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Old 11-06-2012, 09:13 PM
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Can I just say ERMAGERD baby Kastle!!!!!

Ahem, sorry just had to get that out.
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Old 11-06-2012, 09:28 PM
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Traveler is AWESOME. That is all.
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Old 11-06-2012, 10:05 PM
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I just gave myself a dizzy headache practicing backwards circle heeling lol.
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Old 11-06-2012, 10:10 PM
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Awesome help everyone! We've started working on backwards heeling and perch work today, and things are going smoothly... mostly. She tried to take my finger off with the tug, but other than that, we're good, lol.

If anyone else has other pointers/videos/articles, that'd be great.

My rally class's advice was basically hit her butt with a stick until she stops turning out, which wasn't really what I was looking for.
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:03 PM
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The big thing our trainer has been on me about with this is to click when the back feet move... I'm starting to get better finally and watching the whole dog, lol!

Lily did SO good at our lesson this morning!!! She's starting to really get the flipping into heel from front and our pivoting to the left is making good progress. Yay!

Scout was staying straight instead of popping out to the right, which is huge and awesome! We need to practice pivoting to right in front... she's really good at going left and very weak going right. I guess thats our homework. Its sure helping to get specific feedback.

Thats some classy good times with your trainers advice. It sounds like Elsie is doing great! You should get some video of her.
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