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Old 10-19-2012, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Romy View Post
Not just no, but heck no.

If someone lets their animal off leash they're subjecting them to whatever horrors might be perpetrated on a loose dog. Be it traffic, wildlife, crazy mean people, farmers protecting their livestock, etc.

If a loose animal's actions put it in danger that does not give the person who chose to let their dog run loose the right to use lethal force to "protect" it. The time to protect it was back when they made the decision not to put that leash on. And I don't care whether it's attacking a dog, a horse, a pig, duck, whatever (my old muscovy duck's sire killed a GSD that was mauling his hens and the dog's owner tried to sue them ).

While it's a tragic situation for all involved. The person whose dog was off leash is to blame. point blank.

You let your dog run are accepting the dangers that come with that. Other dogs, traffic etc.. and if your dog attacks another, what that owner does to your off leash dog, is still your fault frankly.

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Old 10-19-2012, 04:03 PM
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I wrote up a post and tapatalk ate it. Sad.

Four years ago Arnold and I were walking, on leash, down a snow blocked road by our cabin in Lake Tahoe on Christmas Eve.

A little pit mix was let out of its house and charge us. It ran at me aggressively snapping as if we were invading its territory. Before I knew it Arnold had the dog in his mouth and began grinding his bite and destroying this dogs face. I immediate went to choking Arnold and begging him to let go while the dog frantically bit at my hands in panic. It took a while but I finally choked Arnold out and when he released I hung him up by his collar near my head. The little dog took at us again biting Arnolds legs and feet. After repeatedly kicking the dog in the face, lucky to not get bitten through my snow gear, the dog took off after my brothers lab puppy. The guy I was dating at the time caught the dog by body slamming it into the snow bank.

The woman and her children was bawling and distraught. They screamed and cried for him to get off the dog and let it recall but he refused until they brought a leash and collar.

The whole scene was terrible. I regret the woman making the mistake of letting the dog out without gear, I regret the dog charging us, I regret I couldn't grab my dog fast enough, I regret the fact the dog had very serious injuries and although I refused to report it it may have been put down. Most of all I regret the woman failed her dog. My dog caused the damage but the fact she let the dog out like that is the real crime.

I can't imagine using a knife but I never carry one and have enough sense to know its relatively ineffective unless you plan to hit an artery and bleed the dog out for a kill. Even in that scene I was praying to save that dogs life, not everyone feels them same and frankly had my dog not had the upper hand I'm not sure what I would feel.

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Old 10-19-2012, 07:54 PM
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I think we all agree that the dogs both the attacking dog & the dog who was attacked are the real victims here.

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Old 10-20-2012, 09:09 AM
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Poor Arnold, and poor you. That's a horrible story. What a traumatic experience for all involved.
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Old 10-23-2012, 12:35 PM
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I'll probably get smacked for saying it - but there was way less blood than I would have ever expected from 23 stabs. If I were forced to hazard a guess, I'd say that the guy had a ton of ineffectual cuts that did nothing to slow or stop the dog - and one or two that did. Whether he tried to get the dog to release by doing "minor" stabs first or just had terrible aim, I don't think this was 23 major, life threatening stabs. There is nothing in the article (I know, I know, since when does the news ever tell everything honestly) that implies he continued attacking the dog after it released his.

I will admit, I've kicked a dog so hard in the face I'm amazed it didn't break teeth. It was a 90+ lb lab who had Meg pinned in a corner and was going after her. With owners who were 20 feet away saying "we should just let them work it out!". I was in a barn - if the owners hadn't grabbed him when I started kicking, you can bet I'd have grabbed any of the substantial tools nearby to get him off. I've never felt such a surge of rage and protectiveness. I truly thought she was in danger (she wound up with a hole in her ear, several punctures on her face and neck, and a life long fear of big black dogs). I'm not supporting the idea of stabbing a dog to death - but I get it. I'm not happy or proud that I kicked a dog as hard as I could - but I also don't regret it.

The woman failed her dog, and all four of them paid the price.

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Old 10-27-2012, 06:47 AM
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This just makes me terribly sad, for both dogs...

It did say in the article that he picked his dog up and threw him over a fence - so... did he do this, then continue stabbing, or do this after the stabbing? Because... if his dog was on the other side of the fence.. and out of the way of the other dog... Sigh, articles leave too much open for interpretation.


I do feel terribly sad for those dogs. I have never understood people leaving their dogs to roam neighborhoods like that, etc. And it does sound like it was a regular thing with this bulldog, sadly enough.

I remember, one time, I was walking my SSA(same-sex-aggressive) Bull Mastiff, Kia and across the street, I noticed a young woman taking her puppy out of the backyard for a walk... but she saw me walking Kia(who LOVED puppies, however), dropped the leash of this lab mix puppy, and went back into the backyard and closed her gate! She waited until I was down the road before she came back out, picked up the leash and continued on her walk! I couldn't believe it. Who in the world would leave their puppy there, when they're afraid of another dog...? And.. to boot, they were only about four feet from her gate to begin with, so it's not like she took off across the grass to get there and left the pup behind. It was just all around strange to me. Of course, I had Kia fully under control and always did, but yeah, very odd.

I just hate that so many owners are so irresponsible, and their dogs are the ones who deal with the consequences, not the owners.

Would I stab a dog 23 times to stop it from killing mine? I don't know if I could. But I'd sure as heck be trying everything I could to break them up.

So sad, for both dogs..
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