Faulty/Undesirable Colors

[Saeleofu]

Originally Posted by Lyzelle

What breed?

Originally Posted by Gypsydals

I'm going to take a stab and say dalamtians

[Lyzelle]

Originally Posted by Saeleofu

I'm going to take a stab and say dalamtians

Lol, I wasn't sure. I didn't know Dalmatians could come in any other color besides Black and White.

[Xandra]

For GSD's

Dilutes and whites are the big no-no's. I guess pandas deserve a special mention though I believe that is techinically a pattern not a color? Other colors aren't allowed but I don't think they really show up. So yeah. Whites and dilutes.

[Saeleofu]

Originally Posted by Xandra

For GSD's

Dilutes and whites are the big no-no's. I guess pandas deserve a special mention though I believe that is techinically a pattern not a color? Other colors aren't allowed but I don't think they really show up. So yeah. Whites and dilutes.

Unless you're in UKC...sooooo many whites, even in the show ring. I have yet to see a dilute in person, and I don't know if UKC allows them or not, but I don't care for them from what I've seen in pictures. I don't care for the pandas either.

[Moth]

Basenji's

Color
Chestnut red; pure black; tricolor (pure black and chestnut red); or brindle (black stripes on a background of chestnut red); all with white feet, chest and tail tip. White legs, blaze and collar optional. The amount of white should never predominate over primary color. Color and markings should be rich, clear and well-defined, with a distinct line of demarcation between the black and red of tricolors and the stripes of brindles.

I should mention that they also allow trindles which are tris with brindling in their red markings. This is actually what Watson's coloration is.

In their native land of Africa you will see dogs that are sable & white and lemon & white, but they are not considered allowed colors here.

Shar Pei

Color
Only solid colors and sable are acceptable and are to be judged on an equal basis. A solid color dog may have shading, primarily darker, down the back and on the ears. The shading must be variations of the same body color and may include darker hairs throughout the coat. The following colors are disqualifications: Albino; Not a solid color, i.e.: Brindle; Parti-colored; Spotted; Patterned in any combination of colors.

The amazing thing about this is that Peis do come in brindle, Parti-colored or spotted (called a flowered Shar Pei) and even in black and tan...but those colors as mentioned are a DQ in the ring.

[Red.Apricot]

Tervs are sable with a black mask, and the AKC only allows reds. I'm pretty sure they go from yellow-y sort of red through dark rich red-red, with little-to-tons of blackening on the back. There can be a little white on the toes and a small white patch on the chest, and I think the tip of the tail has to be black?

This is from memory, so I may have messed something up.

[Pops2]

Originally Posted by Moth

Basenji's

Color
Chestnut red; pure black; tricolor (pure black and chestnut red); or brindle (black stripes on a background of chestnut red); all with white feet, chest and tail tip. White legs, blaze and collar optional. The amount of white should never predominate over primary color. Color and markings should be rich, clear and well-defined, with a distinct line of demarcation between the black and red of tricolors and the stripes of brindles.

I should mention that they also allow trindles which are tris with brindling in their red markings. This is actually what Watson's coloration is.

In their native land of Africa you will see dogs that are sable & white and lemon & white, but they are not considered allowed colors here.

Shar Pei

Color
Only solid colors and sable are acceptable and are to be judged on an equal basis. A solid color dog may have shading, primarily darker, down the back and on the ears. The shading must be variations of the same body color and may include darker hairs throughout the coat. The following colors are disqualifications: Albino; Not a solid color, i.e.: Brindle; Parti-colored; Spotted; Patterned in any combination of colors.

The amazing thing about this is that Peis do come in brindle, Parti-colored or spotted (called a flowered Shar Pei) and even in black and tan...but those colors as mentioned are a DQ in the ring.

if a color or pattern is mentioned in the standard it's because it happens in the breed even if it's not desirable. if it isn't mentioned it is because the color doesn't appear in a purebred representative of the breed. for example merle in pitbulldogs, no such thing as a merle bulldog & none of the british terriers came in merle so merle wasa clear indication of mixed breeding. therefore merle simply isn't mentioned in the standard, unlike B & T.

[Barbara!]

Originally Posted by Xandra

For GSD's

Dilutes and whites are the big no-no's. I guess pandas deserve a special mention though I believe that is techinically a pattern not a color? Other colors aren't allowed but I don't think they really show up. So yeah. Whites and dilutes.

So I learned something today. Lol. Do reputable breeders breed white GSD's?

[Keechak]

Originally Posted by Pops2

if a color or pattern is mentioned in the standard it's because it happens in the breed even if it's not desirable. if it isn't mentioned it is because the color doesn't appear in a purebred representative of the breed. for example merle in pitbulldogs, no such thing as a merle bulldog & none of the british terriers came in merle so merle wasa clear indication of mixed breeding. therefore merle simply isn't mentioned in the standard, unlike B & T.

This isn't entirely true tho I would definitely call it a "guideline" and is true about 80% of the time.

Purebred Aussies also come in "ee Yellow" and "AyAy Sable" but neither of those colors is specifically mentioned in the standard.

[Flyinsbt]

Originally Posted by CatStina

Wouldn't know. I was just repeating what I'd heard. I don't know the real reason.

The tan-point pattern is an autosomal recessive. One theory as to why it's forbidden is that the people writing the standard believed that it would dominate the other colors if allowed, but we really don't know why they didn't want it. It's also not a disqualification in the mother country, it's "highly undesirable" (as is liver). Which effectively means it might as well be a DQ, since a dog couldn't be successfully shown in the UK with a trait so listed. The competition is too stiff.

When the US standard was formulated, I believe I've heard that the AKC wanted there to be a disqualification, so the undesirable colors were listed as a DQ. It makes it more in line with the country of origin anyway, since if they were just "undesirable" here, dogs of those colors would still finish.

Blue is a controversial color, since it is not possible for a blue dog to have the black nose required in the standard. It also wasn't in the original standard, it was added in the 1948 revision. It was very rare until recently, when it's become a fad color, to many people's chagrin. A blue Stafford has never finished a UK championship, since the competition there is too stiff for a dog with such an obvious fault to finish. There are plenty of US blue champions, though. Since it's pretty easy to finish a dog here.