Returning a dog to the breeder - Questions/Rant

[CatStina]

I got Saxon when he was 5 months old. We brought him home the first time we met him and he was following me around the house that same day. Some dogs just cope better. The good news about the Fila puppy is that the breeder has said that he is doing well in his home.

What I am worried about here is future puppies that may end up in Teal's "care." She doesn't seem even the least bit remorseful about what she did to this puppy.

[sparks19]

Originally Posted by CatStina

I got Saxon when he was 5 months old. We brought him home the first time we met him and he was following me around the house that same day. Some dogs just cope better. The good news about the Fila puppy is that the breeder has said that he is doing well in his home.

What I am worried about here is future puppies that may end up in Teal's "care." She doesn't seem even the least bit remorseful about what she did to this puppy.

She doesn't seem remorseful because she doesn't seem to understand that she did anything wrong. She thinks the puppy was in fine condition

I don't think it was malicious, I just think she really has no idea what was wrong with the pup or that there was any wrong doing. She really can't see it.

[release the hounds]

There's an obvious disconnect, and I find it a bit disturbing

[AdrianneIsabel]

Originally Posted by release the hounds

There's an obvious disconnect, and I find it a bit disturbing

This.

[Whisper]

Originally Posted by AdrianneIsabel

This.

x 3. I'd like to say, "Oh, her emotion isn't coming through because she's typing and we can't see what she's feeling." I really would love to comfort myself with that rationalization. But I know that's not what's happening here, especially with the callous way she talked about Bullseye in the beginning of this thread.
I went through a rough patch with Fable, at about 6 months. I realized that I wasn't ready for another dog yet after Lucy died, and I'd rushed into things. On top of that, she's a very feisty pup and I certainly wouldn't recommend her to to a first time dog owner. Sometimes I was just exhausted making sure all her needs were met. But damnit, I did make sure her needs were met, not just basic care, but exercise and mental stimulation and everything else to make sure she was happy and thriving. Sometimes I was a little emotional, but she was (and is) a great puppy, and no interaction with her was "bad."

[Red Chrome]

Originally Posted by release the hounds

There's an obvious disconnect, and I find it a bit disturbing

This is so true and so sad. I truly hope the breeders of her current dogs take the warning and do something BEFORE their progeny looks like Bullseye did.

[Dogdragoness]

i think its why this thread should stay open, as a warning to anyone else she might try to get a dog from, i hope everyone has had a head's up. as a rescuerer who sees cruel treatment & abuse on a regular schedule, i would hate to see something like this happen to another dog.

it wasnt that she didnt get along with the puppy that got me, i havent gotten along with all of my puppies either, i didnt get along with Izze (my best dog) or Josefina when they were young, but they both turned into great dogs because i (albiet complaining alot through it all LOL) stuck it out for the long haul. it sounds like she didnt even give this puppy a chance

[yoko]

Originally Posted by sparks19

She doesn't seem remorseful because she doesn't seem to understand that she did anything wrong. She thinks the puppy was in fine condition

I don't think it was malicious, I just think she really has no idea what was wrong with the pup or that there was any wrong doing. She really can't see it.

See I feel different with the first posts in this thread and the ones right after the abuse came out it was obvious something was wrong with the puppy.

[Romy]

Originally Posted by sparks19

She doesn't seem remorseful because she doesn't seem to understand that she did anything wrong. She thinks the puppy was in fine condition

I don't think it was malicious, I just think she really has no idea what was wrong with the pup or that there was any wrong doing. She really can't see it.

This is what I wanted to think, but if she thought the puppy was in "fine" condition, why did she:

1. Lie about the dates her photos were taken and erase the time stamps?

2. Lie about contacting Dianna to return him in the first place?

3. Make this thread? She hadn't contacted Dianna, so the whole bunch of questions about returning Bullseye and "Rant" was fabricated. Why fabricate a story around a dog that she thinks is in fine condition? She even admitted earlier in the thread that Bullseye's condition in Dianna's photos was not good, but then tried to say he didn't look like that when Dianna picked him up. Now she'd admitting he did.

There is a disconnect. BUT, the very creation of this thread says to me that she knew what she did was wrong. That she knew he was in bad shape. And that she knew she needed to fabricate a story to cover his impending disappearance.

ETA: To me the disconnect is between her actions to cover up the abuse, and her seeming disconnectedness from what she did. Clearly she knows she abused him or she wouldn't have gone out of her way to conceal it.

[Doberluv]

Originally Posted by Romy

This is what I wanted to think, but if she thought the puppy was in "fine" condition, why did she:

1. Lie about the dates her photos were taken and erase the time stamps?

2. Lie about contacting Dianna to return him in the first place?

3. Make this thread? She hadn't contacted Dianna, so the whole bunch of questions about returning Bullseye and "Rant" was fabricated. Why fabricate a story around a dog that she thinks is in fine condition? She even admitted earlier in the thread that Bullseye's condition in Dianna's photos was not good, but then tried to say he didn't look like that when Dianna picked him up. Now she'd admitting he did.

There is a disconnect. BUT, the very creation of this thread says to me that she knew what she did was wrong. That she knew he was in bad shape. And that she knew she needed to fabricate a story to cover his impending disappearance.

ETA: To me the disconnect is between her actions to cover up the abuse, and her seeming disconnectedness from what she did. Clearly she knows she abused him or she wouldn't have gone out of her way to conceal it.

I think she knew it was wrong in an intellectual sense, but not in a moral sense. She knew other people would view it as wrong...(whatever that really means) (her perspective, not mine) But she didn't FEEL the wrongness of it. I am pretty sure she isn't capable of feeling the wrongness of it because I think empathy is completely absent.