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Old 10-12-2012, 08:03 AM
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Oh, Sibes are definitely dramatic. They will scream, yell, and throw all out temper tantrums that your next door neighbors will hear if they don't want to do something. And I do mean SCREAM. They are extremely vocal dogs. Some of the most dramatic I've seen. Calm is not in the breed description at all. From skittish to happy, from excited to angry...they are dramatic and LOUD about darn near everything. Dixie's Violet is just one of the few that don't talk.

They are often skittish, unfortunately (and it shouldn't be the norm). I haven't met many that were comfortable in their own skin, let alone the world around them. Part of that is bad breeding, but it's also important to raise them confidently. It WILL be hard. These are some of the most infuriating puppies you'll ever see, and you'll WANT to discipline hard. But they aren't mentally built for it these days. As bratty as they are, you have to give in or deal with a very skittish unsure dog in the future.

Recall, like I said, isn't likely at all. Even your own yard will NEED to be fenced or the dog will need to be on a leash. Period. Open space = run. And they will be gone in about 5 minutes.

As far as chewing, they are horrible chewers/random eaters as pups. There's a pretty significant number of Sibe pups that die from obstruction from the things they ate because an owner wasn't looking. Zander was nearly one of those pups. He ate an entire handtowel at the age of 9 months. Keep in mind, this handtowel was in a kitchen drawer. They are SMART. Zander can also open doors.

They definitely have some cat-like tendencies. More independent, dramatic cat than obedient dog.

But if you want a watered down version, a heavy show-breeder is the way to go.

ETA: Although, a heavy show-breeder might not be the best choice if you want to to weightpull. Many of the show dogs don't have decent enough conformation to excel well in it. Too short and heavy. Malamute might be a better option for that. Just be wary of the "Giant Malamute" breeders. Not much different than a "mini" Aussie breeder or such. Just out of standard dogs with ridiculous price tags.
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Old 10-12-2012, 09:19 AM
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lol alright now what are their GOOD qualities?
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Old 10-12-2012, 09:27 AM
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....They are cute? LOL

Everyone takes away something different. I personally love the vocal and naughty tendencies, but not everyone does. I like the challenge of training, but most people don't enjoy the fact that they aren't into their owners so traditional training methods don't always work. I love all the energy, but most hate that they are wrecking balls of disasterous fury if they don't get a run every day. Personalities can be scary and amusing. Also annoying, if you aren't used to it.

Everyone takes away something different. But it is definitely more like having a toddler than a dog.

Maybe look into Rhodesian Ridgebacks? That is the breed I'm looking into for a dog with the better Sibe qualities, but far more manageable and reliable.
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Old 10-12-2012, 10:32 AM
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I want something puffy :c I know that seems stupid, but I want something I can really get my fingers in and enjoy petting and cuddle with. As convenient as the washnwear guys are, their coat isnt very nice to pet. Not very plush. Even when I look at Sibes, GSD, Akitas, and Mals, I look at the longhaired varieties. I just find it more appealing aesthetically, and tactiley (is that a word?)

I am open to other breeds however. I looked at the Berner for about half a second until I read the height and weight. Too big.

Maybe I will foster a Sibe puppy. I dont know. I mean a foster is going to show me what my puppy MIGHT be like. Considering Im going to be ultrapicky and select the most unflappable, rational puppy out of whatever litter I buy from, and that I will pass on as many puppies as I need to until I get the right personality for me (as opposed to being okay with anything thats got blue eyes or something arbitrary), the experience of a random foster rescue puppy that may not even be purebred or well bred, isnt going to be ANYTHING like the experience of my eventual dog, if and when I get him. Thats my main concern with that plan of attack.
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Old 10-12-2012, 11:14 AM
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Honestly, aside from size you described several malamutes that I know down to a T. They were surprisingly good off leash and a lot easier to handle than how people are describing sibes in this thread.

A stable rough collie could fit your needs too. They're not a conventional weight pull breed but a well built one can do it. One of my friends that breeds collies does bikejoring with hers. I've found that as far as herding breeds, they are waaaay less dramatic than the shepherd breeds and are more independent. Most like an aussie, but more willing to take direction than an aussie.

Samoyeds are actually a herding breed too, and are more biddable and reliable off leash. And oh so fluffay! Their temperaments are pretty ideal for what I like as far as being more independent than GSDs and more biddable than a sibe. I just wish they came in colors other than white because white hair on everything isn't my ideal. It's something I'd consider though.
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Old 10-12-2012, 02:16 PM
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Violet doesn't yodel or woo and roo like most huskies but she definitely does talk. She's always been very growly. Not aggressively, but of she wants outside she growls, if she's annoyed or feeling ignored she growls, etc. She also screams. Used to scream a LOT in the crate, but is now perfect in the crate. She screams if being bathed, Especially if at home (if we take her to the groomers to self-groom she doesn't scream, just whines). She will also whine in the car, or if she needs to go outside or wants something and is being ignored.

Also, the bit about eating things...omg. She swallowed an entire adult gym sock and nearly had to have surgery to remove it. It was scary. They definitely like having something in their mouths when they feel like they can get away with it.

There's more "bad", and quite a bit of good, but I have to leave for work soon so I'll add on later.
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Old 10-12-2012, 03:18 PM
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Oh my gosh you guys, you just reminded me of the most awesome OB class session EVER.

The class met in a big room with the instructor in the middle and everyone standing in a circle facing her, with our dogs at our sides. We were all standing at attention, watching her when a dog, I can't remember if it was a sibe or a malamute, start horking loudly.

Everyone turned to stare at the horking dog while his owner patted him consolingly. Then he made a horrible wretching sound, and puked a frilly red lace thong right in the middle of the classroom floor.

Her face turned bright red and everyone started laughing so hard. It was awesome. Sadly, they never came back. I wish they did.
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Old 10-12-2012, 04:00 PM
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What is good about them is an excellent question.

Ollie and Kobe both showed typical nordic dog traits, although Ollie is probably the more typical personality-wise.

I found them both trainable, with some challenge. Kobe is, in fact, off leash dependable. I ended up having to use a e-collar to do so... most definitely not my tool of choice -- but for seeing the overwhelming joy he had running among the open fields, I felt my choice was the correct one. Regardless, he is otherwise relatively obedient "with a twist". And the "with a twist" part is because I've indulged it, not because it could not be trained out of them.

Sure, he sits, he heels, he does everything. He just does it with his own particular brand of humor. I like this video, where I'm trying to tell him to give me a high five. You can see Kobe is TOTALLY doing this on purpose lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q3_A...SlAU3es74Q43bw

Relatively, Priscilla (and most dogs I've known) were more generally obedient and while they may play loose with the rules, it's not quite in the same way.

I enjoy their sense of aloofness. Both Kobe and Ollie did not cuddle with me at night (once a month or two, at most). They happily did their own thing without involving me, played with me when we felt like it but otherwise ignored each other.

Most of the huskies and malamutes I've known have a strikingly distinct personality compared to most dogs (not in a "better" way so to speak, just different).

I've found that while I do want a retriever or sport dog, maybe two at most before I get overwhelmed by it.. I could have 20 Malamutes or Huskies and be perfectly happy and not overwhelmed. They just get along with my lifestyle so well.
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Good post, RBark. Unfortunately many people use shock collars on their Sibes and I see it often. I personally disagree with it(and prefer management), but it's an overall good post that really shows how different people take away different things from the breed.

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But this. OMG this. This is one of my biggest pet peeves lately and I have no idea who started it. But Sibes, Malamutes, etc, are NOT NORDIC. There is nothing Norse about the breed. Nor is "Nordic" a proper substitute for "Northern" as it only relates to certain countries in Northern Europe. It's Spitz, Laika, or just Northern.

If I could strangle the person who came up with "Nordic"...and I have a feeling it was a show breeder.

/rant
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Old 10-12-2012, 11:08 PM
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Oh, and Zane just pulled a Lily. While I was cooking dinner (back turned to the trash can) he dove in for a green bean. That's all he wanted. Just the green bean.
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