Obama/Biden versus Romney/Ryan? - Page 36

blue · #**351** 10-12-2012, 12:10 AM

At this point in our history as Americans, gay marriage and abortion are distractions. Energy and the economy are far more important.

Barbara! · #**352** 10-12-2012, 12:17 AM

Right... And we saw what happened when Bush was in office. Why elect someone who agrees with Bush on 97% of policies?

Greenmagick · #**353** 10-12-2012, 12:17 AM

Biden debated much better than Ryan. Yes, he talked over him (and called him on his bull crap) but Ryan also continuously kept going when his time was up and pretty much avoided all the main questions.

My favorite was when asked for specifics and he skirted around...the moderator said "so no specifics" and he still would not answer. Then she said, ok another math question lololol.

And no, as I talked about earlier, I will never sacrifice social issues. They are the root of us, they are who we are. The economy is VERY important as well but show me where Romney has actually given a plan...a WORKABLE plan. He talks about how he can fix it, and he says what the results will be, but its a pipe dream. He has no specific plan to get there...or at least he is not sharing it which means there is something to hide. The little bit we do know sounds pretty much like the republican status quo of the past administrations...oh yeah, those policies worked real well

blue · #**354** 10-12-2012, 12:22 AM

We did pretty good with Reagan. Just saying.

JacksonsMom · #**355** 10-12-2012, 12:27 AM

I would like to know what promises Obama has kept that he said he was going to do back in '08.

Because I seem to recall him making a LOT of promises.

I do believe Romney will do most of what he's claiming he will do... because he did it in MA (what he said he was going to do when elected). You can't really say it's a pipe dream without giving him a chance to try. If at the end of 4 years, he hasn't done anything he promised, then I won't vote for him again.

Greenmagick · #**356** 10-12-2012, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by blue

We did pretty good with Reagan. Just saying.

So the answer is raise taxes? Like Reagan?

Eh, I would argue that many of his policies are what set up the current mess....deregulate deregulate deregulate.

Trickle down does not work.

Barbara! · #**357** 10-12-2012, 12:30 AM

If we gave Bush 8 years to crash the economy... I think we can give Obama 8 to fix it.

Also, Obama only recently got control of the White House... Republican majority in the senate was not allowing him to pass a lot of his bills. However, he did get a lot done.

blue · #**358** 10-12-2012, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Greenmagick

So the answer is raise taxes? Like Reagan?

Eh, I would argue that many of his policies are what set up the current mess....deregulate deregulate deregulate.

Trickle down does not work.

Obama is going to raise taxes, that is not dependent on the election, its going to happen. Its not going to help.

Regulate, regulate, regulate, is not the answer either, it only makes things more expensive.

We where still better under Reagan then under Obama.

blue · #**359** 10-12-2012, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Barbara!

If we gave Bush 8 years to crash the economy... I think we can give Obama 8 to fix it.

Also, Obama only recently got control of the White House... Republican majority in the senate was not allowing him to pass a lot of his bills. However, he did get a lot done.

If it took 4 years for Obama to get control of the White House he needs to go. He started out with a Dem majority.

Greenmagick · #**360** 10-12-2012, 12:40 AM

Election promises are goals. The president does not have ultimate control or power. Are there things that Obama didnt get done that I wish would have? Oh heck yeah. But seriously, ones he has kept???? Long list coming up.....Ok, I got tired....I only copied about 1/5 of the list
you can see the rest here

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Extend child tax credits and marriage-penalty fixes

Create an Advanced Manufacturing Fund to invest in peer-reviewed manufacturing processes

Create an international tax haven watch list

Create an international tax haven watch list of countries that do not share information returns with the United States.

Increase minority access to capital

Require economic justification for tax changes

Adopt the economic substance doctrine, a policy that states that tax changes must have significant economic justification, as a federal law.

Implement "Women Owned Business" contracting program

Change standards for determining broadband access

Create a consumer-friendly credit card rating system

Establish a credit card bill of rights

Expand loan programs for small businesses

Expand "the Small Business Administration's loan and micro-loan programs which provide start-up and long-term financing that small firms cannot receive through normal channels."

Extend the Bush tax cuts for lower incomes

Extend the Bush tax cuts for those making less than $250,000 (couples) or $200,000 (single)

Extend and index the 2007 Alternative Minimum Tax patch

Extend and index the temporary fix to the Alternative Minimum Tax that was passed in 2007

Close the "doughnut hole" in Medicare prescription drug plan

Expand the Senior Corps volunteer program

Require insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions

Give tax credits to those who need help to pay health premiums

Require large employers to contribute to a national health plan

Require children to have health insurance coverage

Expand eligibility for Medicaid

Expand eligibility for State Children's Health Insurance Fund (SCHIP)

Require health plans to disclose how much of the premium goes to patient care

Establish an independent health institute to provide accurate and objective information

Implement and fund proven health intervention programs

Eliminate the higher subsidies to Medicare Advantage plans

Expand funding to train primary care providers and public health practitioners

Increase funding to expand community based prevention programs

Reinstate executive order to hire an additional 100,000 federal employees with disabilities within five years.

als and timetables for implementing Section 503 of the Rehabilitation Act

Create a best practices list for private businesses in accommodating workers with disabilities

Launch educational initiative for employers on tax benefits of hiring employees with disabilities

Expand Veterans Centers in rural areas

Fully fund the Veterans Administration

Assure that the Veterans Administration budget is prepared as 'must-pass' legislation

Expand the Veterans Administration's number of "centers of excellence" in specialty care

Expand housing vouchers program for homeless veterans

Launch a supportive services-housing program for veterans to prevent homelessness

Appoint a special adviser to the president on violence against women

Fully fund the Violence Against Women Act

Now, people may not LIKE the above....and thats fine. But they are campaign promises kept. THe reason I am NOT voting for Romney is his campaign promises are NOT what I want for my country

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