What do you think Joey has in him?

[JoLeigh]

Originally Posted by SevenSins

And what are the odds of those two breeds just happening upon each other and creating such a cross? Unless we magically found the one person on earth who happens to own both breeds AND happened to have an "oops" litter...

Many beezer people have a few other Podenco breeds as well and thats not counting ALL of the hunt packs.

Speaking of, Amber he could very well come from a hunt breeder and not a conformation/coursing breeder they tend too run many Podenco breeds/mixes together. But given how he looks I really dont see why you would have an issues getting him PAL'ed.

As an owner and breeder of one of the rare breeds you are considering and someone who has written a comparison of the Ibizan and Podengo please let me comment.

1st there are appox 130 registered podengos of the medium or Big size in the US and I can tell you where they all are. I am the only breeder of Smooth Grande and I really know where they all are and can guarantee you that they were NOT breed to an Ibizan. RE: Azawak, not even a chance - they are even more rare and their body time includes a more significan roach in topline but more importanly their height vs length - is significantly different - they are much taller than long.

Lurchers are sighthounds bred to sporting dogs - this photo shows too many Ibizan characteristics and no sporting dog characteristics.

Soughi - think of more of a greyhound look - this dog also does not have that.

I agree with the others that it is likely an Ibizan with a wrongly colored nose. In any breed - if there was a fault - that doesn't make it a different breed. I believe that getting a pals number as an Ibizan would be appropriate.

Historically the primitive dogs around the Mediteranian region have many common traits so likely just the expression of history than a mix of a different breed.

To learn more about the Podengo I invited you to look at our website: www.podengo-mediogrande.com

I will post a copy of an article that I wrote comparing the 2 with pictures for you to download later today.

Originally Posted by Teal

Ibizans aren't MY breed.. but I have spent years with them in the field, and with their breeders.

My personal opinion is that there is Podengo in there. EVERYTHING about him - from his head, to his pigment, to his coat, to his structure - says Podengo/Ibizan mix to me.

Azawakh? Not a chance. There is nothing about his structure, coat, or temperament that hints at Azawakh.

I would certainly like to see if the AKC accepts him into their PAL program as an Ibizan! It wouldn't surprise me if they did.

NOT Podengo - not at all

There are not many of the big size in the US and only 1 male in a hunt pack of medio and pequeno. Last time I heard he was 12 and that was 2 years ago - unlikly he is still alive. People who hunt with Podengos DO NOT BREED IN BIGGER SIGHT HOUNDS rather prefer the smaller size given the small spaces they hunt in. I am in contact with most of the hunt pack owners in the US and none of them 'go big' - they don't import big from Portugal because it's too expensive. More common mixes have included basenji and beagle.

[SizzleDog]

Originally Posted by dmcarty

NOT Podengo - not at all

There are not many of the big size in the US and only 1 male in a hunt pack of medio and pequeno. Last time I heard he was 12 and that was 2 years ago - unlikly he is still alive. People who hunt with Podengos DO NOT BREED IN BIGGER SIGHT HOUNDS rather prefer the smaller size given the small spaces they hunt in. I am in contact with most of the hunt pack owners in the US and none of them 'go big' - they don't import big from Portugal because it's too expensive. More common mixes have included basenji and beagle.

Exactly - this is why I have a hard time believing that someone got ahold of a Podengo to breed to an Ibizan... even by accident.

[skittledoo]

Alrighty... crossing my fingers I get a response.

I just sent an email to the people I got him from asking them if they are still in contact at all with Joey's former owners since the boyfriend had mentioned them being friends with the people that owned Joey initially. Maybe they can help me backtrack to find out where he came from exactly and at the very least maybe the initial owner will have some puppy pics of Joey they don't mind passing along my way.

[skittledoo]

Originally Posted by YodelDogs

I have shown dogs for 2 decades and I'm going to put in my 2 cents about conformation. I do not think Joey truly has a roached back. Any dog can roach up if they are standing with the hind legs too far up under them. Unfortunately, I can't put my hands on Joey and feel his spine myself so I have to go only on the photos provided.

From a show standpoint, Joey does have a bad topline. He has a slight dip behind his withers and too much slope in the croup. This gives the appearance of a roached back. I believe that I could stack Joey in a show pose and get that back leveled out. Skittledoo, didn't you say something one time about visiting Georgia? If you do, perhaps we could meet up and I could try to stack him and see what happens.

Joey has numerous conformation flaws but I think he is probably a purebred from a BYB. I would try to get a PAL from AKC. A dog does not have to be a top quality dog to get a PAL and I see no reason why he would be declined.

I'll be in Grovetown (Augusta) GA area more than likely around Thanksgiving. We're trying to go out there to see my family and get the rest of our stuff out of our storage unit. We will have Joey with us when we go too.

[Zoom]

I'll be back out in VA in a couple weeks, I have to meet Joey!!

[skittledoo]

Originally Posted by Zoom

I'll be back out in VA in a couple weeks, I have to meet Joey!!

Yay!!! Let me know the dates and I will make sure to have some time free.

[Teal]

Originally Posted by dmcarty

NOT Podengo - not at all

There are not many of the big size in the US and only 1 male in a hunt pack of medio and pequeno. Last time I heard he was 12 and that was 2 years ago - unlikly he is still alive. People who hunt with Podengos DO NOT BREED IN BIGGER SIGHT HOUNDS rather prefer the smaller size given the small spaces they hunt in. I am in contact with most of the hunt pack owners in the US and none of them 'go big' - they don't import big from Portugal because it's too expensive. More common mixes have included basenji and beagle.

I did some Googling, because once you said "importing from Portugal" I knew I had the name wrong... I apparently mixed up the names PodenCo and PodenGo. Go figure lol

[Laurelin]

Podenco is just another name for Ibizan hound though, isn't it? Podenco Ibicenco. There's also the the Podenco Canario and Podenco Andaluz but I don't think those are common in the US at all either.