What do you think Joey has in him?

[momto8]

"Looks pure to me. Someone should probably inform all of these breed "experts" that rescue dogs rarely conform wonderfully to their given breed standard..."


In Ibizan's most rescue's do though..including my own dog who is a rescue. there are some that don't, typically mixes,which is not seen often, but it does happen time to time.



and you can see some of the rescue Ibizan's that have passed through our IHCUS Rescue
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...7234549&type=3

[momto8]

I do have to add one thing to this thread. And it does not really have to do with the fact that Amber's dog is mixed or not.

Alot of ppl seem to attack the Ibizan owners and breeders every time this subject comes up.

The Ibizan community is like a family, everyone knows everyone. They are supportive and great people who really love their dogs. We do have our issue's and don't always get along, and there are even ppl amongst our "family" that do not talk at all, but we are a group that are very protective over their dogs and their lines. We do not want the Ibizan Hound to become the next lab, they are not overbred, they are not just handed out to anyone, most the time you have to be on a list for years to get a puppy.
So I just wanted to put that, that we Ibizan people are not bad people, I don't know why it seems to be that everyone thinks that. We want the best for our breed, to keep it as it is, healthy and all around amazing dogs, much like the original 2 dogs that came to the United States.

And as far as I know and was told nobody has been nasty or mean to Amber in any way, they do however want her to know what she has, which is a very special dog.

[Barbara!]

I don't think anyone is bashing "Ibizan people". But you can't really say that they keep their dogs in check or they aren't handed out to anyone when some of them end up in rescue. I'm sure the breeders/owners you know are great, but you can't speak for every single Ibizan owner.

[momto8]

Originally Posted by Barbara!

I don't think anyone is bashing "Ibizan people". But you can't really say that they keep their dogs in check or they aren't handed out to anyone when some of them end up in rescue. I'm sure the breeders/owners you know are great, but you can't speak for every single Ibizan owner.

Like i said..everyone knows everyone. And almost every Ibizan is co-owned and some do end up in bad situations, but are taken back by their original breeders and then adopted out, but they are labeled as rescue's because that is what they are..they are spayed/neutered and go on to pet and/or performance families.
It happens in every breed, unfortunately there are alot of shitty owners out there.

[Lyzelle]

So if everyone knows everyone, why can't anyone trace Joey back to his breeders?

[Pops2]

momto*
i don't mean it as an attack on Ibizan breeders or even show folk in general, so much as an attack on a mindset. for example somewhere along the way redboon people decided the high tan or saddleback redbone was unacceptable regardless of the fact that many saddlebacked redbones were exceptional coon catching machines. likewise the plott folks eradicated teh leopard spotted plott (last known litter occurred in the 80s) and there is a big split in the breed now w/ one faction wanting to eliminate the buckskins (yellow). it's just nonsense. if nose color or coat color or type had ANY effect on the ability to do the job, then all scenthounds would be the same color, same nose color, same coat type, same ear length etc.
likewise w/ all the concern over existing limits on gene pools it is an inherently BAD idea to further narrow the gene pool based on PURELY cosmetic issues.

[momto8]

Originally Posted by Lyzelle

So if everyone knows everyone, why can't anyone trace Joey back to his breeders?

because he's not from any of the breeders that know each other at all, there are only like 2-3 breeders in FL and they did not produce him. and probably because he's not purebred..therefore he did not come from one of the breeders.

there is a possibility that he could have been a product of a dog that a woman that used to breed in FL, she was not a good breeder by far, ppl knew of her. She apparently tried to commit suicide years ago and from what i've been told nobody knows what happened to her. He could be a product of something she sold and then was bred by other ppl to something else. He's not old enough to have actually come from her though

[Barbara!]

I think it is very naiive to think that just because you don't know where he comes from, that he isn't pure bred or that you can possibly know every Ibizan breeder/owner out there. Sorry, but it just doesn't work like that and I am quite sure there are probably breeders out there that you don't know about.

[momto8]

Originally Posted by Barbara!

I think it is very naiive to think that just because you don't know where he comes from, that he isn't pure bred or that you can possibly know every Ibizan breeder/owner out there. Sorry, but it just doesn't work like that and I am quite sure there are probably breeders out there that you don't know about.

that is not the only reason. there are many little things about that say he is not purebred, in spain there are dogs with darker pigment, but if you do the research and look back at historty those dogs were typically dogs that had bred with other breeds on the island, since in the past Ibizan's were left on the Island of Ibiza to fend for themselves for a very long time and sometimes they outcrossed. Hence why you do not see many imports from Ibiza, and when they are imported they are imported from extremely good kennels/breeders

and no I don't claim to know every ibizan person, to date i have about 400 or so that I know , a handful that i talk on the phone with and get together with, but pretty much all the breeders here in the US know each other, our dogs are pretty much all related in some way or another, therefore most research together, show together ect

[skittledoo]

Woah guys. This was meant to be a fun "guess what else he could possibly have in him" thread. Wasn't meant to turn into a debate. Regardless if he is pure or not I've said it before and I'll say it again... I love this dog and I do not for a second regret deciding to keep him even if it ends up meaning I can't actually lure course for now.