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Old 09-26-2012, 05:54 PM
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Aside from the fairly obvious (Ibizan), what do you think Joey could possibly have in him? I'm curious if his other half is sighthound or not and though I can obviously label him as Ibizan mix, I wonder if technically he could also be considered a lurcher or not. Of course, there's no way of knowing for sure what other influence he may have in him, but thought it would be interesting to hear your guesses. He's 25 inches tall at the shoulders and about 40lbs.

He was labeled as an Ibizan (purebred) when I picked him up off Craigslist, but he definitely has some non-beezer-ness such as the brownish liver colored nose (It looks black in pics sometimes, but it's not black).

Some of the guesses I've had from the Ibizan crowd as to what he could have in him: Podengo, Another Podenco breed, Azawahk and Sloughi. It seems most Ibizan mixes tend to maintain mostly Ibizan characteristics though from what I've been told by a few people.

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A little skinny in this pic since this is when I first got him
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Old 09-26-2012, 06:18 PM
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Why do you assume there is something else in there. He looks all beezer to me. I would think that crossing a beezer with an equally or more rare breed is less likely than he is a very cute, but less correct example of his breed.
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Old 09-26-2012, 06:21 PM
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To my (very) untrained sighthound eye....he looks more Podenco breed or Azawakh to me. His hind end is definitely more sloped, not as square...but that could just be bad confo breeding, too. His shoulders and elbows are saying something to me too, their angles and how low/forward they are set on his chest. Same with his neck and throatlatch connections. It's just sorta saying Azawakh to me...especially if I picture him a solid color and down'd ears.

But keep in mind Liver/Red comes in many shades, so that doesn't necessarily say that he is or isn't one thing or another. And bad breeding can go a long way, too.

He could definitely be all beezer, no reason why not.
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Why do you assume there is something else in there. He looks all beezer to me. I would think that crossing a beezer with an equally or more rare breed is less likely than he is a very cute, but less correct example of his breed.


Because pretty much a lot of Ibizan folk have made it fairly clear it's near impossible for him to be pure and have such a dark nose. It seems if I mention he's Ibizan on facebook I get some people correcting me that he is either Ibizan mix or more likely a Podengo mix and not Ibizan at all. A few Ibizan people have said it's still possible he could be purebred though really poor breeding.
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He also has a pretty interesting roach in his back. Not sure if that is beezer since I've seen some that have roaches though not as roachy as his if that makes sense... I'm considering having a chiropractor check it out to make sure he doesn't have something funky going on with his spine since I plan to try and do CAT with him.
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From doing research into coat genetics I can tell you many a breeder in many a breed has their heads stuck in the sand when it comes to what is "possible"

You would need to know the genetics of a darker nose. Since beezers are supposed to have light noses, could this just be a dark version of what is correct? If the only reason you are thinking he is crossed with very rare breeds is that his nose is a little dark (but not the wrong colour) I don't think that is the most logical answer.

ETA I know some JRTs with roached backs from less than stellar breeders, but that doesn't make them mixes.

He could be a mix, but I would think that would be less likely.
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I think Beezers are dilute red, right? Like in Sibes and Vizslas?

Genetics behind that is...dilute goes over another color. Like creamer in your coffee. The darker the base (or stronger the coffee) the darker the outcome of the red will be. But if the dog was a tan point or something much lighter(like a light roast in coffee)...then the end result would be lighter, too.

Thus why dilute reds can come in a variety of shades.

ETA: Actually, the Vizsla comes in clear "ee" red. Not brown. Oops. So that's a possibility, I guess.
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From doing research into coat genetics I can tell you many a breeder in many a breed has their heads stuck in the sand when it comes to what is "possible"

You would need to know the genetics of a darker nose. Since beezers are supposed to have light noses, could this just be a dark version of what is correct? If the only reason you are thinking he is crossed with very rare breeds is that his nose is a little dark (but not the wrong colour) I don't think that is the most logical answer.

ETA I know some JRTs with roached backs from less than stellar breeders, but that doesn't make them mixes.

He could be a mix, but I would think that would be less likely.
^^That. I think he's purebred. I am still arguing with Summer's breeder over what color she is. She's even registered as the wrong color.
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I tend to agree with Dekka on this one. The standard specifically mentions that there shouldn't be black or liver on the nose - to me this indicates it is in fact genetically possible...
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Sounds like the beazer people are looking for zebras because they heard hoofbeats.

I see a slightly rough coated ibizan.
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