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Old 09-16-2012, 09:41 PM
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I always wondered why do the handlers run and scream in agility, can the dog be directed from a stationery position?
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Old 09-16-2012, 10:28 PM
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We finished the weekend with 3 Qs and a title; 1 Advanced Standard Q to get our AADC as I mentioned before, then our first masters Qs in a Snooker and a Standard. The standard Q blew me away. We went from not making time by a couple seconds pretty often in advanced to a run where we were about 13 seconds under time. I'm so very proud of the pug, she's come so far in such a short time.
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Old 09-16-2012, 11:08 PM
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YAY!! Izzie is on fire!!! Congrats to you both

Here's just a session from the other day of some jump work totally off leash in our front yard. I never thought I would be able to do this type of thing with Kimma. But she remained focused the whole time. I also did weave training at some point last week that I will link, too (not sure if I linked it here yet).

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Old 09-17-2012, 05:30 AM
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I always wondered why do the handlers run and scream in agility, can the dog be directed from a stationery position?
In theory, you could probably teach it. I know a lot of agility handlers who can't get around the course due to physical issues, and so they teach a ton of distance and get by that way.

In actuality - you wouldn't be competitive. Agility training has progressed to the point where the top teams, even locally most of the time, are going to be very fast and accurate. Handlers teach both verbal and physical cues to tell the dog not only which obstacle to take (which could probably be done stationary), but how to take it. ie "If my outside hand comes up near the commitment point to this jump, take it in collection and wrap the outside bar for a tight turn". I'd be shocked if anyone could produce a super tight, fast, competitive round without being fairly close to the dog, especially on a USDAA type course, where things can get very tight and 'international'.

Plus, most dogs *love* it when their handlers dig in and run with them, and the dog cranks it up a notch or two!
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:32 AM
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In theory, you could probably teach it. I know a lot of agility handlers who can't get around the course due to physical issues, and so they teach a ton of distance and get by that way.

In actuality - you wouldn't be competitive. Agility training has progressed to the point where the top teams, even locally most of the time, are going to be very fast and accurate. Handlers teach both verbal and physical cues to tell the dog not only which obstacle to take (which could probably be done stationary), but how to take it. ie "If my outside hand comes up near the commitment point to this jump, take it in collection and wrap the outside bar for a tight turn". I'd be shocked if anyone could produce a super tight, fast, competitive round without being fairly close to the dog, especially on a USDAA type course, where things can get very tight and 'international'.
Yeah there is a well-known agility trainer here (who's been in the sport since pretty much the beginning) who trained his most recent dog this way. He'd basically stand in the middle of the course and direct. Worked okay in Novice and Open (AKC) if it was the right sort of course, and it was fun to watch...kind of like directing NADAC gamblers but with obstacles closer together...but since moving to excellent he gave it up and is running with his dog, albeit augmenting with directional verbals. He just wasn't Qing hardly ever and when he did his times were nothing to get excited about. I admit it was a cool experiment but for the sake of the dog I'm glad he's gone to running him!

There are just too many decision points on today's courses, I think. Even if your dog has a perfect verbal for every type of obstacle out there, and directionals, they are going to be faced with situations on every course where they are deciding between 3, 4, even 5 potential obstacles...andthey might all be "jump"s...plus you need commands to get them to the backside of jumps...to 180 vs. threadle...and as Boston Banker said above, agility is just so competitive now that if you are running on the top tier you need your dog to be skimming the upright and wrapping his body around it and reaching for the earth to accelerate...when you're just conducting from the middle of the course and relying solely on verbals, the dog has to think more and that's going to slow him down, even if you manage to run clean.
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Here's some video from the weekend, be aware that it isn't available on mobile because of the song so I'm sorry to all those who are on their phones!

http://youtu.be/PV2WMjzlPPs
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You'll see the stationary handling a LOT in NADAC. You get double points if you handle non-distance courses from behind a line. What it turns into for 90% of the teams is a very frustrated dog constantly looking at their handler for cues. Lots of barking, lots of spinning, lots of checking in. They Q, they get their double points, but the dog is obviously frustrated. In a handful of teams it works beautifully and looks really cool...but it's definitely the minority.

NADAC is weird though. Handlers there all seem to do rear crosses for everything, choosing to let their dog catch up and move ahead of them even when they don't have to. I definitely stand out running with lots of fronts and blinds.
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There's one gal on forums here and there that had trouble keeping up physically and she did teach at least one of her shelties to run it competitively from a distance. Pretty sure she did pretty well.
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Old 09-18-2012, 10:43 PM
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There's one gal on forums here and there that had trouble keeping up physically and she did teach at least one of her shelties to run it competitively from a distance. Pretty sure she did pretty well.
Oh, it's doable! That said, there's definitely a difference between not being able to keep up (but still running as best as you can) and intentionally standing 50 feet away making minimal movement.
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Old 09-18-2012, 10:55 PM
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Oh yes, that's true.

I managed to find her youtube channel... (hope she doesn't mind me posting it?) you can see her directing from kind of a distance around the courses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ3DhIsk0J4
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