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Old 09-18-2012, 01:23 PM
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Question CM gets bitten... again (vid included)

I know CM is a hot topic but i saw this on facebook & had to share it to get other's views on this subject of FA (food aggression):

why do ppl insist on harassing their dogs when they are eating, as someone who has been bullied & their food stolen from them in the past, it isnt a good feeling believe me. i condition my dogs with treats & chewies/bones etc... but their food i leave them be, they are always fed in a place (crate/quite room away from everyone) where they cant be bothered.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ihXq_WwiWM here is the link to the vid, hope it hasnt been taken down yet.
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Old 09-18-2012, 02:06 PM
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Did you read the comments? It's just amazing how stupid people are. In the video, when he said that the dog was relaxed...."see how relaxed he is?" (just before he got bitten)...I was thinking...he is not relaxed one bit. He's going to explode any time now. He was so threatened and defensive. You could read it all over his face. That man ought to be stopped. He's abusive as all hell. Further beating the dog up in relation to food. Great association to have the dog make: People come around food and all hell breaks loose. And I can't believe how stupid all these people are who think it's okay what he's doing to dogs.

I have worked with numerous dogs with this kind of issue successfully and never got bitten doing it because I teach them that if I have to take something away from them, it's going to result in a very high value exchange. They may one day have something valuable to them that is unsafe, some poisonous thing they consider food or a dangerous, sharp thing. You want to be able to take away highly valued things and have the dog think that it's just fine and dandy if you do.

These dogs that started out worried about losing their food would practically beg someone to come around their food because they got conditioned to having very good things happen when someone came near. I think it's a good thing to be able to come near a dog when it's eating if the dog is safe because there might always be a time when someone does. Of course, a dog should not be harassed when it's eating but it can be desensitized and conditioned to liking people coming near or even picking up the food bowl to put something much better into it.

There are lots of techniques to do depending on the dog's degree and type of issue. With this dog, I would not be using a bowl at all for some time and would maintain possession of the food, hand feeding him in increments. That would be for starters. Then there are other steps to follow.

That's what I've always started out doing with my dogs...picked up their bowl just once per meal say....and put in a hunk of Porterhouse steak braised with mushroom sauce lol... or chicken with their kibble. They welcomed me picking up their bowls when they were eating. They not only got them right back again in 2 seconds, but with something even better in it. All my dogs have always been safe with children or anyone coming near things of value, including their food.

When a dog already has serious resource guarding issues, a behavior specialist ought to be called in to set up a very gradual conditioning plan.

Contrary to what Milan insists, It's not about submitting to humans when it comes to survival. It is ridiculous that he thinks that. Even wolves who are omegas are not expected to tolerate a higher ranking wolf from taking their food. They just don't do that. And here we have dogs, the biddable dog who so easily can be shown that they won't lose their food if someone comes near it or even handles it. They can learn that it's a terrific win-win deal to have someone come near or touch their food.

I just wish someone would shut that Cesar Milan down.
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Old 09-18-2012, 02:08 PM
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All I can say is what a freaking idiot. I would not expect any less from a dog when its treated like that.
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Old 09-18-2012, 02:16 PM
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wow * shakes head *
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Old 09-18-2012, 03:52 PM
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This is the second video of Holly at his centre. Watch Junior. I would be heart broken if my dog did that after I got angry or up set with them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXE-fwI0SWU
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I'm seriously afraid to watch. It breaks my heart to see this creep abusing dogs. I wish people could see what is right in front of their faces. What is wrong with society that they accept this b.s. still?????
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This is the second video of Holly at his centre. Watch Junior. I would be heart broken if my dog did that after I got angry or up set with them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXE-fwI0SWU
I won't comment on anything else, but, Sako is the same way if he knows I'm mad at him. He won't completely roll like Junior did, but he does the slinky, low tail wagging, ears back stuff. He's just naturally super submissive, and sensitive. He's never been abused a day in his life (actually, he's been the most coddled of all of my dogs and gets away with more crap than the other two ever have).

So, just saying that just because a dog does that doesn't automatically = OMGABUSE!
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Wow...
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Vintage CM. Set the dog up to fail then punish her for the mistake he knew she was going to make.
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Meg used to 'over-react' to anything she saw as a correction - like Junior, but with more peeing. There was never any abuse in her life that I could tell - just a super soft dog. We've beefed up her confidence enough over the years that it isn't that bad anymore - but yeah, not always a sign that the dog has been treated badly.

Having said that, the rest of the video...yeesh. It isn't that I wish harm on anyone, and boy that was a bad bite but...he didn't see it coming? As soon as he started to reach out to the dog (what the heck was he going to do? pet the muzzle?), I started to wince.
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