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Old 07-13-2012, 09:59 AM
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I've seen this episode... from what I see ON THIS EPISODE, I lean towards putting the dog to sleep. However, that's only what I see on TV. I don't see the dog's day to day life. It's likely his comfort level and the safety of the community at large could be vastly improved with good management strategies. Whether or not the owners can/will implement that management to a degree that keeps him secure isn't something I have any way of knowing. It looks promising that they muzzle him.

If the dog were mine, I do feel I would euthanize it, tbh. But he's not, so there are too many factors for me to say.
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Old 07-13-2012, 10:08 AM
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why why why can't people understand that dogs have all the same emotions we have and lash out imho less than we would if the situation were reversed. Whatever happened to allowing a dog to decompress in quiet, and have slow and careful building up of trust.? Oh yeah, we are the instant gratification people. Must have what we want in an instant and if it isn't that way, then throw it out. Healing takes time. Trust takes even longer to rebuild. Memories do not fade, they are forgiven.
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Old 07-13-2012, 11:37 AM
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I would 100% advocate putting that dog down. To me it's iffy having, say, a golden doodle that bites people. A pit bull? And then putting it on TV? IMO if you are at all interested in doing the breed any favors (not to mention if you care about the people he could seriously injure should he escape) you should not keep APBTs or dogs that resemble APBTs when they regularly attempt to bite the crap out of people. I always kinda assumed that would be a no-brainer but apparently not.
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Old 07-13-2012, 12:12 PM
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I'm sorry, even as a bully advocate, a dog like this of ANY breed...euth is a more gentle humane option than trying to rehab. Obviously a very troubled soul, even in an ideal situation...a remote area away from other animals and with one dedicated experienced trainer...this dog might still be a breakdown waiting to happen.
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Old 07-13-2012, 12:28 PM
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Oh gosh I HATE this episode. "Make him surrender"...*sigh* Why do people watch this show?

Ears back head low -- he's SCARED. And all this jerk does is follow him around with a camera. :-(

To add, I'm not sure about euthanasia or not. It's an episode of CM's show so the dog is cornered and forced to act out. I'm not sure how the dog REALLY is when he's not put under such stresses nor how the dog would be with proper rehabilitation, not this sort of nonsense.
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Old 08-16-2012, 06:27 PM
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This dog died a long time ago... he seriously attacked one of his owners while she applied "cesars way". Of course everyone who he consults is forced to sign a binding confidentiality agreement so the only reason I know this is because the behaviorist I apprentice with knows the rescue that he was surrendered to and who put him to sleep. Very sad. It makes you wonder what could've come of Buddy if he was trained with love, kindness and understanding from day one.

I feel like suppression is the absolute worst method with a volatile dog like Buddy.... it's terrifying. If you slip up, if you don't continue to apply more and more force and intimidation, if you underestimate that dog or get too comfortable for one second... Bam! That ticking time bomb goes off and someone is badly injured or dead. And all the headlines say "Pit Bull Attacks! He snapped out of nowhere". But the thing is its not out of nowhere. Its not that dogs fault that he was taught that he would be hurt if he gave warnings, and that his aggression was only suppressed and worsened instead of healed. Luckily Cesar has a star studded team of lawyers behind him hiding all of these cases.

Eta sorry I didn't realize this thread was old... Weird!
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Old 08-16-2012, 07:41 PM
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Yes. Yes. Yes. I do find it cruel to keep a dog that is THIS fearful alive. Not to mention it's a pit bull, and human aggressive pit bulls are unacceptable in my eyes. It's good they tried to rehabilitate him...but honestly I personally would probably have just put him to sleep. He was obviously very unstable. Poor dog.
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Old 08-16-2012, 09:14 PM
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It is really, really hard to judge a dog based on how it behaves on The Dog Whisperer. No doubt these dogs have issues. But you take a dog with issues and have a camera crew come into their house and a guy who is threatening/manhandling them and...well...you're going to see the dog at their very, very worst. Add to that the editing that goes on, which is designed to show you the most shocking footage they managed to get during the hours or days or whatever that they were there.

My oldest Belgian was "evaluated" by a old school, dominance based trainer when she was sent back to her breeder for aggression issues at 10 months old. The evaluation consisted of him walking up to her and flipping her over on her back while wearing AC gloves. I guess it would have included other things too but she bit him and he firmly stated that she should be euthanized because she obviously had "dominance aggression". He repeatedly told her breeder she is making a mistake keeping the dog alive, even after I had her. The issues she had in her former home turned out to be that she was resource guarding from the tween and teen girls of the house and the girls had been encouraged to smack and pin her for threatening them...so she had started snarling and snapping at them whenever they approached her in certain settings. They also felt these were dominance related aggression issues. If you'd have listened to these people talk about Loki and seen video clips of her at her worst, you may think "this is a dog with some serious issues". Really though, she's a pretty bomb proof, happy and rather outgoing Belgian. I have never worried about her with people and have traveled all over this part of the country with her over the years. But she's a dog who won't tolerate unfair harsh treatment from people either and depending on your mindset about dog behavior you might find that to be unacceptable and a sign of "dominance issues".
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Old 08-16-2012, 11:58 PM
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I don't find it cruel, as the dog trusted the owners and seemed happy.
Granted, I would have recommended him being PTS.
If I owned him, I wouldn't worry about training, but managing. Crating when unknown people are around, no walks unless its at night to avoid other people, etc.
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Old 08-17-2012, 12:23 AM
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It is really, really hard to judge a dog based on how it behaves on The Dog Whisperer. No doubt these dogs have issues. But you take a dog with issues and have a camera crew come into their house and a guy who is threatening/manhandling them and...well...you're going to see the dog at their very, very worst. Add to that the editing that goes on, which is designed to show you the most shocking footage they managed to get during the hours or days or whatever that they were there.

My oldest Belgian was "evaluated" by a old school, dominance based trainer when she was sent back to her breeder for aggression issues at 10 months old. The evaluation consisted of him walking up to her and flipping her over on her back while wearing AC gloves. I guess it would have included other things too but she bit him and he firmly stated that she should be euthanized because she obviously had "dominance aggression". He repeatedly told her breeder she is making a mistake keeping the dog alive, even after I had her. The issues she had in her former home turned out to be that she was resource guarding from the tween and teen girls of the house and the girls had been encouraged to smack and pin her for threatening them...so she had started snarling and snapping at them whenever they approached her in certain settings. They also felt these were dominance related aggression issues. If you'd have listened to these people talk about Loki and seen video clips of her at her worst, you may think "this is a dog with some serious issues". Really though, she's a pretty bomb proof, happy and rather outgoing Belgian. I have never worried about her with people and have traveled all over this part of the country with her over the years. But she's a dog who won't tolerate unfair harsh treatment from people either and depending on your mindset about dog behavior you might find that to be unacceptable and a sign of "dominance issues".
Loki's only "issue" is that people are far too slow to recognize that she's Queen of the Universe. ALL HAIL!
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