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Old 08-13-2012, 06:35 PM
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Depends what I'm doing and what dog I'm working with.

I lure a lot. Free shape some, but mostly luring. I don't use corrections when I teach - its all fun and upbeat. The corrections come in when I'm proofing.

But I have come to the conclusion that I hate dogs that don't enjoy learning. I guess I was spoiled with Blackie and then Chloe, because both of them loved working and figuring out new things. Chloe understands how to follow a lure and knows that it is me guiding her to do the correct thing - and once she figures out what that correct thing is, the lure can be pretty much nullified and she's good to go. She also knows that when I'm shaping she should offer behaviors and just try things. When she gets a response, she builds on it. Mike's dogs drive me nuts because they have no desire to learn. They're well behaved and learn house manners well...but good Lord, trying to teach them to even sit is like pulling teeth because they have zero drive to figure anything out. Gracie won't even lure. Its so frustrating.
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Old 08-13-2012, 06:44 PM
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With Gusto, it is pretty close to 100% free shaping. He 'gets' the game so well. It is occasionally frustrating, because he gets rather creative when he thinks we are playing the game and we aren't (like when I stop to discuss something with my trainer in agility, and look over to see him trying put his hind feet on the jump bar), but he keeps everyone in hysterics.

Meg doesn't do as well with free shaping, because she gets worried about being wrong and shuts down if she doesn't get the "right" answer quickly. For her, a bit of luring to get her on the right track keeps her in the game. She's probably more like 60% free shaped/40% lured.
This sounds JUST like Maddie and Bailey
Maddie's used to free shaping - she offers behaviors and usually catches on very quickly. She's spoiled me a bit, I am not used to dogs who don't offer any behaviors at all...
Bailey sounds a bit like Meg, she'll shut down if she gets upset or frustrated, she can be easily discouraged on some things. She keeps me on my toes and has taught me a lot this past year <3

I don't use corrections when training. With Maddie, I will occasionally use a NRM. I think it helps her differentiate if she's confused. But never with Bailey.
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Old 08-13-2012, 06:49 PM
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Personally, I lure for most things.. free shape for fun/tricks and capturing for general behavior.

I just think luring is faster and easier for cues I want to get into practice lol pure laziness. but I think free shaping is fun and do enjoy doing that with games and tricks which aren't as "important" to me cue wise.

Capturing I use for general good behavior. Laying down calmly in crates, ignoring food around, sitting before a doorway.. that kind of thing.
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Old 08-13-2012, 07:40 PM
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I lure a lot... especially for a clicker trainer. I find that free-shaping for too long, or for too specific a behavior can frustrate dogs. I do free-shape for fun & for brain work, but I seldom use it to teach a specific behavior.

I capture as much as possible with fosters and puppies! I love it, because it teaches the behavior really quickly and easily, and makes dogs super eager to offer the behavior even without a command. I capture sit, down, wait, and other polite commands all the time when I start with a dog.

I don't use corrections. Only verbal interruptions if needed. Then I quickly redirect the dog to do something that I want. As some one who used to use compulsive corrections, it makes the training process SO much more fun for me and for the dog, and it strengthens your bond and trust.
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Old 08-13-2012, 08:46 PM
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I forgot about NRM. I'll use them with Gusto, almost exclusively when he gets "stuck" and convinced he is offering the right behavior and I'm just too stupid to reward him. A "try again" is his cue to find a different behavior. I can usually "pull" him off his repetitive cycle by asking for a few hand touches and re-cuing, but sometimes he just gets it in his head that he's right.

Meg, I can finally use them with a little bit, although I rarely have a need. She's really too soft to handle them well, and I've gotten used to not using them with her, so it really doesn't happen much even though she has toughened up a bit training wise.
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Old 08-13-2012, 08:53 PM
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Me 4, even my free shaping is made up of limited options. Meaning I'll often block the wrong choices and encourage the correct. I also help my dogs a lot with luring.
Me 5. My free shaping is very little. I have a dog that gets frustrated with free shaping and he ends up more confused than what he was when he started. So we do a lot of luring.
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:34 PM
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With Luna I lure a lot because that's the way I taught her stuff for the first 3 or so years I had her, and it's pretty ingrained now so that she gets really frustrated when I try to free shape something. But she's also good at luring by now.

Keegan I train through telepathy. I start shaping the behavior, get about three clicks in before he says, "Are you trying to get me to do this?" and proceeds to do the entire behavior perfectly.

Training service dogs at work we do NO luring. Easy behaviors - sit, down, eye contact, etc. - are captured, everything else is shaped. We use targets quite a bit and occasionally use other prompts, but mostly we stick to shaping. Our goal is to teach dogs to really think about their behavior and get creative in how they do things, which really helps when they are partnered with clients with physical limitations, and shaping is IMO the best way to teach this. Plus it's quite fun.
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:36 PM
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Me 4, even my free shaping is made up of limited options. Meaning I'll often block the wrong choices and encourage the correct. I also help my dogs a lot with luring.
Me 6. I use a NRM and Knox is another one that gets frustrated. I've free shaped tricks and such, and his pivot into finish was entirely free shaped, but I tried to free shape his attention heel, didn't work so much. Luring worked much better.
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Me 5. My free shaping is very little. I have a dog that gets frustrated with free shaping and he ends up more confused than what he was when he started. So we do a lot of luring.
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Me 6. I use a NRM and Knox is another one that gets frustrated. I've free shaped tricks and such, and his pivot into finish was entirely free shaped, but I tried to free shape his attention heel, didn't work so much. Luring worked much better.


Me 7. I'm starting to notice a trend here... I will use a correction if it is a behavior that I KNOW the dog knows beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Edited because CD posted at the same time and beat me and I had to correct my number.

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