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Old 06-27-2012, 01:29 PM
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Nothing to add -- everyone's covered it well.

Hard on you, though, and thank you for taking care of burying the poor cat. Sounds like his owners wouldn't have bothered
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Old 06-27-2012, 01:31 PM
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The dog was in his own fenced yard... What could the police have POSSIBLY done?

I do feel sorry for the cat.. but like someone else said, a quick and efficient death by a dog in a yard is a lot more humane than most cats who are outdoors get
Law where we live is no matter WHAT the circumstance, if a dog kills a domestic animal it can be declared a dangerous dog by the court...then you have the burden of defending your dog in court as NOT dangerous. If your dog is even moderately big or scary looking even with good behavior references you're looking at steep fines or losing custody.
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Old 06-27-2012, 02:24 PM
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Law where we live is no matter WHAT the circumstance, if a dog kills a domestic animal it can be declared a dangerous dog by the court...then you have the burden of defending your dog in court as NOT dangerous. If your dog is even moderately big or scary looking even with good behavior references you're looking at steep fines or losing custody.
I don't live there.. BUT a quick google of the laws for NJ..

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4:19-23. Finding to declare dog potentially dangerous

a. The municipal court shall declare a dog to be potentially dangerous if it finds by clear and convincing evidence that the dog:

(1) caused bodily injury as defined in N.J.S.2C:11-1(a) to a person during an unprovoked attack, and poses a serious threat of bodily injury or death to a person, or

(2) severely injured or killed another domestic animal, and

(a) poses a threat of serious bodily injury or death to a person; or

(b) poses a threat of death to another domestic animal, or

(3) has been trained, tormented, badgered, baited or encouraged to engage in unprovoked attacks upon persons or domestic animals.

b. A dog shall not be declared potentially dangerous for:

(1) causing bodily injury as defined in N.J.S.2C:11-1(a) to a person if the dog was provoked, or

(2) severely injuring or killing a domestic animal if the domestic animal was the aggressor.

For the purposes of paragraph (1) of this subsection, the municipality shall bear the burden of proof to demonstrate that the dog was not provoked.

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L.1989, c. 307, 7, eff. Jan. 12, 1990. Amended by L.1994, c. 187, 4; L.2002, c. 24, 1, eff. June 11, 2002.
So a dog in its yard that is secure is not likely going to fined or seized etc.

But actually it seems seized isn't that simple, and wouldn't even be an issue in this case

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4:19-19. Seizure and impoundment of dog by animal control officer; grounds

An animal control officer shall seize and impound a dog when the officer has reasonable cause to believe that the dog:

a. attacked a person and caused death or serious bodily injury as defined in N.J.S. 2C:11-1(b) to that person;

b. caused bodily injury as defined in N.J.S.2C:11-1(a) to a person during an unprovoked attack and poses a serious threat of harm to persons or domestic animals;

c. engaged in dog fighting activities as described in R.S.4:22-24 and R.S.4:22-26; or

d. has been trained, tormented, badgered, baited or encouraged to engage in unprovoked attacks upon persons or domestic animals.

The dog shall be impounded until the final disposition as to whether the dog is vicious or potentially dangerous. Subject to the approval of the municipal health officer, the dog may be impounded in a facility or other structure agreeable to the owner.

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L.1989, c. 307, 3, eff. Jan. 12, 1990.
You will notice that does not mention killing of domestic animals.

One should always be aware of the laws pertaining to their pets for their area....
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Old 06-27-2012, 04:46 PM
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I remember how hard I cried and how heart broken I was when Arnold killed a kitten. I also remember how hard it was for me to look at him with love right after.

It takes time but it gets easier. I'm very sorry.
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Luce got a cat a couple weeks ago. I was tremendously upset about it, but she was contained and the cat was where it shouldn't have been. I was on the porch showing my mom puppy pictures-- I didn't even hear it happen. She came trotting up the walk with her prize in her mouth

It doesn't bother me so much when it's bunnies, and I don't even know if that cat had an owner, but it's... different. I felt so awful.

ETA: I really appreciate that PA dangerous dog law stipulates "while off the owner's property" as part of their requirements wrt killing domestic animals.
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Molly never killed a cat, but if I hadn't been around, she no doubt would have. I got sliced up pretty badly saving a couple of them. One of them just couldn't seem to understand that my yard was patrolled and any intruders with 4 or more legs would be attacked. There must have been a couple of hundred close calls with him over the years where he barely got out of the yard with Molly inches behind him. About once a year, she would catch him, and chew on him pretty badly. He was a Maine Coon cat type that had so much fur that Molly wasn't able to do much damage before I got her off him. He got hit by a car eventually a couple blocks from home.

There probably wouldn't have been any legal repercussions as your dog was in it's yard and the cat was obviously running loose.
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I don't live there.. BUT a quick google of the laws for NJ..



So a dog in its yard that is secure is not likely going to fined or seized etc.

But actually it seems seized isn't that simple, and wouldn't even be an issue in this case



You will notice that does not mention killing of domestic animals.

One should always be aware of the laws pertaining to their pets for their area....
I don't know if this is the case in NJ, but in Indiana individual municipalities can make laws that differ from the state law so long as the municipality law is more strict than the state law. So the law in the posters town could be different.

Sally has never gotten a cat, thank heavens. She cornered one under the shed, but we got out there and broke it up. The cat injured her though.
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Sigh, as far as the official law goes as compared to the unofficial law, in an urban area your dog is guilty until proven innocent...especially if it looks in any way like a rottie or pit bull. The official law is that city shelters need a 3-5 day holding period. The unofficial rule is 6-24 hours for sick or aggressive...
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