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Old 06-27-2012, 12:31 AM
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I couldn't watch much of that video either. It hurts the heart. I do have to agree with Coop though. It is her job to impose some kind of order on those kids. She didn't, ergo I don't think she is the best person for the job, the exception being if, as someone mentioned, she is usually with little kids.
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Old 06-27-2012, 01:03 AM
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I witnessed a case like this while I was in school. My classmates were bullying the special needs girl (she had downs syndrome). I got suspended for a week because I slapped one of the kids who had been bullying her. Those other kids got 1 day of suspension. What. The. Crap.

I decided to start homeschooling when I was in 7th grade. I have always been an observant person and I realized that everything around me was being run poorly- bullies everywhere, violence, girls having sex at 13 and 14 and getting pregnant at 15... I knew that I didn't want to be a part of it. I never learned as much in public school as I did in two years of "unschooling".

Deny it if you will, but there are SERIOUS flaws with public education. It is completely destroyed by over sensitive parents, ineffective curriculum and kids being conditioned to believe that if you want something, you're allowed to have it at all costs.

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Old 06-27-2012, 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by stafinois View Post
This. I feel bad for her, I really do. But how effective of a bus monitor is she if she just sits there and allows that to happen? Did she let them treat other students that way?


A mean librarian who LOVES tossing kids like that out in the street. Even got to get the police involved with a particularly nasty kid a few weeks ago. LOL
Your hands are so tied as a school employee on what you can do. Really the worse thing you can do is telling someone I'm going to call your Mom/Dad. It's super effective in elementary school but in middle school - not so much. By that point IMO you should have enough manners and sense to know how to treat an adult and the basic rules of appropriate peer to peer interaction.

IMO expelling is the right thing to do. The line wasn't just crossed... it was skipped over.
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Old 06-27-2012, 10:40 AM
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I don't think any kind of "blame" can be placed on the bus monitor. I can understand having to deal with kids throwing wads of paper, kids standing in the aisles, kids yelling/shouting... those are all typical things our school bus drivers dealt with because let's face it, kids will be kids.

The way these kids acted isn't something anyone should deal with. It's bullying to an extreme degree. I watched about 3 minutes of the video, and I've never seen an adult treated that way before in my life.

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Old 06-27-2012, 10:42 AM
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I have never understood how expelling is a punishment. I understand sometimes it has to be done, but as punishment? Heck, I think it would almost be a reward for many kids.
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Old 06-27-2012, 02:21 PM
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I have never understood how expelling is a punishment. I understand sometimes it has to be done, but as punishment? Heck, I think it would almost be a reward for many kids.
Immediate reward, maybe... but in the long term, the parents have to either find a new school or home school, unless the kid is planning on doing menial labor for the rest of his/her life. Besides, isn't it human nature to want what you can't have? In this case, an education.
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Old 06-27-2012, 02:40 PM
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I was a substitute school bus driver for a year or so and it was no picnic. I never had anyone treat me like that though. They were noisy and misbehaved sometimes...mostly the middle school kids. The elementary kids were noisy, but not badly behaved general, and the high school kids just slept all the time. lol. I didn't have much trouble though. If they behaved well, I'd let them listen to the radio and I would tease a funny game where I'd play classical music or opera and they'd howl...."Oh-h-h-h-h-h noooooooo." And everyone would crack up laughing. I'd pretend like I was serious. Then I'd change it to something they liked. I'd let one kid choose the station and the next time another kid got to do that. So, it seemed to keep them busy and it was a reward for good behavior.

I got one kid who was very troubled...a rough type and always getting bus tickets. She had to sit behind me as her "punishment." (that was put on her by the regular bus driver) I didn't feel very comfortable with that...thought she might pull a knife on me or something. So, I let her be the one to control the radio which was on my left side within her reach as long as she sat nicely and quietly. That worked wonders. I talked with her a little bit when I could. She kind of attached herself to me and looked up to and bonded with me a little bit. I didn't know if it would work or not, but it seemed to get her focus off of causing trouble with other kids and the like and she found out that I liked her and that she didn't need to do those awful things to get attention or get noticed. (Or whatever the reason was she got snarky with people before)

This kid in the video To have the capacity to be that disrespectful toward someone in charge is just over the top. Sometimes, these kids with no empathy can't ever be reached. And sometimes they need some kind of positive thing to happen before they go off. I think they act like that because that's what they hear at home and are treated badly from the get least in part.
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