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Old 05-25-2012, 04:02 PM
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Oh no wit the new MIB movie, it's all over the puppy mill making advantage again .

I'm still in shock when I saw in the newspaper an add for a RAFFLE to win a "Frank" pup http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...type=3&theater

Now is going to be like wit the previous 2 movies were puppy mills exploded wit pug puppies, is so sad.

Mostly in the second film were the pug was on screen almost more time than the two main human characters.
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Old 05-25-2012, 04:52 PM
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Honestly... Regardless of this movie Pugs are still being milled lots and bred without care and will continue to be. Especially since going to a reputable breeder for a Pug is going to cost in the ballpark of $1500-2000. Yes they put in the money to justify the cost, but Joe Blow is not going to pay that and will just hit up Susie Q down the road that has a litter. BYBs know they can charge up to $1000 and regular people will probably still put out. It's a losing battle and running my pug group it's in plain sight for me. As much as i speak about proper breeding practises to look for to ensure you're getting a pup from a reputable breeder, they do not care because people will always still buy from bybs over reputable breeders. Plus Pug rescues are IMO far too picky in most cases. From requiring potty rooms if you're out of the house more than 5 hours a day to requiring annual or biannual checkups at the vet with full diagnostics on top of charging an arm and a leg to adopt, it's not really that attractive to a regular person who just wants a cute Pug.
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Old 05-25-2012, 05:09 PM
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IMO people will go out and be unprepared and get dogs regardless of films.

Disney and a few others have at least TRIED to push responsible ownership, adoption etc.. but honestly, if a movie is enough to make someone go out and buy a dog, regardless, they are going to do it. Wether they want a pug like Frank or just want a dog period..it's going to happen. Pugs are already popular so yea, it's easier.. but sadly, I don't think MIB did anything other than maybe give a tiny boost to an already booming puppy mill market.

and as Mandy said, yea, if other avenues were easier or within reach there might be another solution but sadly.. we hit the same wall we always do in these kinds of instances. Rescues/real breeders are too picky/expensive/unfriendly and BYB/petstores are simply the easiest user friendliest option.

Realistically, you CAN'T get mixed breeds to do ALL movies featuring dogs. Especially things like MIB and Disney films, they require A LOT of acting and scenes and behaviors not to mention they have to keep in mind that they need to find a look-a-like for later films..
It's easy to push the blame onto the movies but honestly, what else can they do?

The root comes down to education. The more people know about responsible dog ownership and what it takes.. the more people will think twice before letting themselves be swayed by breeds/dogs on the big screen.
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Old 05-25-2012, 10:50 PM
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Honestly... Regardless of this movie Pugs are still being milled lots and bred without care and will continue to be. Especially since going to a reputable breeder for a Pug is going to cost in the ballpark of $1500-2000. Yes they put in the money to justify the cost, but Joe Blow is not going to pay that and will just hit up Susie Q down the road that has a litter. BYBs know they can charge up to $1000 and regular people will probably still put out. It's a losing battle and running my pug group it's in plain sight for me. As much as i speak about proper breeding practises to look for to ensure you're getting a pup from a reputable breeder, they do not care because people will always still buy from bybs over reputable breeders. Plus Pug rescues are IMO far too picky in most cases. From requiring potty rooms if you're out of the house more than 5 hours a day to requiring annual or biannual checkups at the vet with full diagnostics on top of charging an arm and a leg to adopt, it's not really that attractive to a regular person who just wants a cute Pug.
I see, so they were popular before? I guess the movie affected more or less depending were you live , since pugs were very rare here before the first movie, but when the movies came many people wanted a "Frank" and the pet stores were full of pug puppies as well newspaper adds, it was more noticeable wit the second movie.

Also I got traumatized after some people I know got some pugs because of the movies, and later the pugs stared having many puppies and even mixing them to other breeds , like a male pug to a female cocker to see "how they will come out" , and they were begging people to keep the "ugly " puppies, and sell the pretty ones .

Some of offspring of the pugs the mixes to a terrier type mutt haven't stop making puppies since they were less than a year and even begged me to breed my boy (but he is a toy poodle!) to them, and what is worse it appears they are inbreeding them, since somethings they don't know who is the father of most of the puppies.

I wish shelters, rescues, etc could be more relaxed, is so sad.

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IMO people will go out and be unprepared and get dogs regardless of films.

Disney and a few others have at least TRIED to push responsible ownership, adoption etc.. but honestly, if a movie is enough to make someone go out and buy a dog, regardless, they are going to do it. Wether they want a pug like Frank or just want a dog period..it's going to happen. Pugs are already popular so yea, it's easier.. but sadly, I don't think MIB did anything other than maybe give a tiny boost to an already booming puppy mill market.

and as Mandy said, yea, if other avenues were easier or within reach there might be another solution but sadly.. we hit the same wall we always do in these kinds of instances. Rescues/real breeders are too picky/expensive/unfriendly and BYB/petstores are simply the easiest user friendliest option.

Realistically, you CAN'T get mixed breeds to do ALL movies featuring dogs. Especially things like MIB and Disney films, they require A LOT of acting and scenes and behaviors not to mention they have to keep in mind that they need to find a look-a-like for later films..
It's easy to push the blame onto the movies but honestly, what else can they do?

The root comes down to education. The more people know about responsible dog ownership and what it takes.. the more people will think twice before letting themselves be swayed by breeds/dogs on the big screen.
I noticed in some movies a better message, very different than in classics like the Lady and the Tramp and Beethoven were they had puppies because they were cute and the parents in love.

In the movie Hugo for example there was an agressive male daschund and later they got him a girlfriend to " make him sweet" but mush later in the movie he was still having problems and a guy came to talk about something like that "getting him a female is not going to make him happy, he needs to learn how to socialize "
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Old 05-28-2012, 10:29 AM
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I do agree that it's probably going to hardly make a dent. Pugs are very popular, around here anyways, and I see them all the time and a lot of people want them. And there hasn't been a MIB movie since, what, almost 10 years ago?

I DO think movies play a part, depending on the breed too.

When I was little, I and almost everyone I knew was obsessed with getting a Dalmatian - I watched 101 Dalmatians probably 1000 times. lol. I can honestly say that I, nor any of my friends who actually got the breed, NEVER would have cared about Dalmatians had it not been for that movie.

But, like, honestly with Marley & Me for example... the dog was horribly behaved throughout 90% of the movie. If that makes people WANT to go out and get a Lab puppy... well, that's not the fault of the movie, LOL. Labs have always been very popular in this area anyways.
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I do agree that it's probably going to hardly make a dent. Pugs are very popular, around here anyways, and I see them all the time and a lot of people want them. And there hasn't been a MIB movie since, what, almost 10 years ago?

I DO think movies play a part, depending on the breed too.

When I was little, I and almost everyone I knew was obsessed with getting a Dalmatian - I watched 101 Dalmatians probably 1000 times. lol. I can honestly say that I, nor any of my friends who actually got the breed, NEVER would have cared about Dalmatians had it not been for that movie.

But, like, honestly with Marley & Me for example... the dog was horribly behaved throughout 90% of the movie. If that makes people WANT to go out and get a Lab puppy... well, that's not the fault of the movie, LOL. Labs have always been very popular in this area anyways.
Just saw the movie yesterday, and is a huge relief that he wasn't in the movie, he only appeared in a poster and in a wooden sign.

However he is featured in the merchandise like this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIB:_Alien_Crisis

http://www.amazon.com/MIB-BLACK-TALK.../dp/B007RPC1K8

http://www.amazon.com/Factory-Entert...pd_sim_sbs_t_5


That is very confusing, but at least he didn't had a role in the movie.


The dalmation thing was extremely horrible, I met milled dals from that time and they were the most craziest hyperactive dogs I have met mostly a male, the poor thing never went outside to sociolize or be trained at all, so he destroyed wooden doors, wires, sofas, was dog agressive and never payed attention to people sometimes I wonder if he was deaf., he also had extreme panic problems. (and they had ideas to breed him)

I remember a TV news special (from the us) that showed shelters flooded with dals, the situation was a real nigthmare


Is a good thing now they are more rare, so they can be wit the people who can really care for them and not just the money or a trend.
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But, like, honestly with Marley & Me for example... the dog was horribly behaved throughout 90% of the movie. If that makes people WANT to go out and get a Lab puppy... well, that's not the fault of the movie, LOL. Labs have always been very popular in this area anyways.
The summer that movie came out, I went on a trip with my dad up the coast and we met four yellow lab puppies named Marley. Insane, but their owners seemed happy.
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