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Old 05-12-2012, 09:54 PM
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I have a feeling, Kady, that this is very much the owner.
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Old 05-13-2012, 02:54 AM
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I have a feeling, Kady, that this is very much the owner.


And this is why a lot of issues occur. SOME things are the owner, yes.

Going after people is NOT the fault of the owner. That is a dog wired wrong.
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Old 05-13-2012, 01:46 PM
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I fail to see how it might NOT be the owners fault. The dog may be just fine and just need some training!!!

But I digress to the others who have obviously met the dog and evaluated the situation and are saying to put to sleep. They obviously have a vast knowledge of training and know what they're talking about. /endsarcasm

OP -Call a behaviorist! Get your dog evaluated and go from there!!
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Old 05-13-2012, 02:43 PM
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I don't think the dog is necessarily wired wrong. Does a dog just look at a little kid and automatically know it's the same deal as an adult? I don't think so. They look, smell, sound differently. Actually I'd say that's a not an unusual response in a dog that has a lot of prey drive and little exposure to children, but for them running past the fence squealing, which is "teasing" the dog even unintentionally. (I mean how do you get a dog to bite a tug, you whip it around just out of reach to build frustration).

We don't know what the bite was like, yes the kid went to the hospital but IMO it is prudent that a bite get looked at at the hospital if there is any kind of puncture as they get infected easily. It's the responsible thing to do, it doesn't necessarily mean it was a bad bite.

That said, the dog has identified children as something to bite. That makes it a liability. I think the OP is in the Philippines (but I may be wrong). I don't know what kind of resources are available there in regards to trainers.

To the OP--your dog's reaction to children is NOT something that can be tolerated. You can't put the training off, you have to start now. Otherwise, he may bite another child, worse, which apart from being morally wrong IMO, will probably leave you open to lawsuits.

Trying to "fix" this/managing it for the rest of the dog's life is a big responsibility, it will cost money and time and generally be a pain in the ass.

IMO you should seriously think about whether you are prepared to start contacting trainers/behaviorists right away. If not then I think you should reconsider keeping the dog.
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Old 05-13-2012, 03:01 PM
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I don't think the dog is necessarily wired wrong. Does a dog just look at a little kid and automatically know it's the same deal as an adult? I don't think so. They look, smell, sound differently. Actually I'd say that's a not an unusual response in a dog that has a lot of prey drive and little exposure to children, but for them running past the fence squealing, which is "teasing" the dog even unintentionally. (I mean how do you get a dog to bite a tug, you whip it around just out of reach to build frustration).

We don't know what the bite was like, yes the kid went to the hospital but IMO it is prudent that a bite get looked at at the hospital if there is any kind of puncture as they get infected easily. It's the responsible thing to do, it doesn't necessarily mean it was a bad bite.

That said, the dog has identified children as something to bite. That makes it a liability. I think the OP is in the Philippines (but I may be wrong). I don't know what kind of resources are available there in regards to trainers.

To the OP--your dog's reaction to children is NOT something that can be tolerated. You can't put the training off, you have to start now. Otherwise, he may bite another child, worse, which apart from being morally wrong IMO, will probably leave you open to lawsuits.

Trying to "fix" this/managing it for the rest of the dog's life is a big responsibility, it will cost money and time and generally be a pain in the ass.

IMO you should seriously think about whether you are prepared to start contacting trainers/behaviorists right away. If not then I think you should reconsider keeping the dog.
I agree with most of this. If you opt to not keep the dog, I think you should consider euthanasia. It's very sad, but a dog with a bite history and 'iffy' behaviour is not easy to rehome responsibly, and the last thing you want is to rehome him and find out he later bit someone again and really hurt them or worse.

You need to figure out what compelled the dog to bite that child and either work on it or diligently manage it (preferably both).
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Old 05-13-2012, 04:21 PM
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I have a feeling, Kady, that this is very much the owner.
Perhaps some of it is, but not all.. will reply more below.

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I fail to see how it might NOT be the owners fault. The dog may be just fine and just need some training!!!

But I digress to the others who have obviously met the dog and evaluated the situation and are saying to put to sleep. They obviously have a vast knowledge of training and know what they're talking about. /endsarcasm

OP -Call a behaviorist! Get your dog evaluated and go from there!!
I'm not sure who you're directing this to (although I can only guess..), but I haven't seen anyone that posted before you suggest that the dog be put down.


That being said, I have worked with and met numerous Bully breeds in all of the work I do with shelter dogs and just dogs in general. These are generally dogs that are under-exercised, hardly have any training on them, that sit in kennels 8+ hrs. a day. Vast majority of those dogs don't go out and bite people, or act aggressively.

Sounds like this dog is at least getting SOME kind of exercise, yet still made a point to somehow get free of its leash and get out of the yard (which should've never happened, so owners fault there) and bit a kid, causing her to have to go to the hospital (so this doesn't sound like it was a "OMG you're weird let me give you a warning nip" type of bite). Of course none of know exactly WHAT happened, but I can tell you that if any of MY dogs went out and did that, they'd be put down. OP also mentions that the dog is "aggressive to any kind of people".. that is just NOT the type of Pit Bull we need out there in the world. Of course, I'm also someone who doesn't tolerate HA at all. I would never own a dog that bit someone.

Sure, I guess if the OP is willing to really work with the dog, and perhaps keep it behind closed doors when there are kids and other people around, then whatever, keep the dog. But if the dog is unstable as it seems based on the OP's posted, then yes, putting it down should be considered, IMO.
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How badly was the child bitten? Did the bite break the skin?
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That being said, I have worked with and met numerous Bully breeds in all of the work I do with shelter dogs and just dogs in general. These are generally dogs that are under-exercised, hardly have any training on them, that sit in kennels 8+ hrs. a day. Vast majority of those dogs don't go out and bite people, or act aggressively.

Sounds like this dog is at least getting SOME kind of exercise, yet still made a point to somehow get free of its leash and get out of the yard (which should've never happened, so owners fault there) and bit a kid, causing her to have to go to the hospital (so this doesn't sound like it was a "OMG you're weird let me give you a warning nip" type of bite). Of course none of know exactly WHAT happened, but I can tell you that if any of MY dogs went out and did that, they'd be put down. OP also mentions that the dog is "aggressive to any kind of people".. that is just NOT the type of Pit Bull we need out there in the world. Of course, I'm also someone who doesn't tolerate HA at all. I would never own a dog that bit someone.

Sure, I guess if the OP is willing to really work with the dog, and perhaps keep it behind closed doors when there are kids and other people around, then whatever, keep the dog. But if the dog is unstable as it seems based on the OP's posted, then yes, putting it down should be considered, IMO.
I agree with the above and I'll add my (very strong) opinion here. There is NO place in this world for a human-aggressive APBT/mix and frankly I don't think a single one is worth saving, not when there are multitudes of APBTs out there with rock-solid temperaments, some who have been wrung through all manners of hell and still wouldn't dream of laying tooth on a person. I'm not going to candy-coat; Based on the OP's description of the dog's temperament, that dog should have been dead a long time ago. Further, the OP failed that dog, and failed responsible APBT owners, by putting it in a situation that allowed it to bite someone, knowing the dog was aggressive. This dog is now a statistic that brings the rest of us one step closer to losing our dogs.
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Old 05-13-2012, 05:25 PM
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I agree with the above and I'll add my (very strong) opinion here. There is NO place in this world for a human-aggressive APBT/mix and frankly I don't think a single one is worth saving, not when there are multitudes of APBTs out there with rock-solid temperaments, some who have been wrung through all manners of hell and still wouldn't dream of laying tooth on a person. I'm not going to candy-coat; Based on the OP's description of the dog's temperament, that dog should have been dead a long time ago. Further, the OP failed that dog, and failed responsible APBT owners, by putting it in a situation that allowed it to bite someone, knowing the dog was aggressive. This dog is now a statistic that brings the rest of us one step closer to losing our dogs.
Well said, and I agree to it all. Especially with the bolded part!
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Where are you located?

You either need to get some serious training for yourself AND for your dog, or you need to put the dog down.

People get bashed for rushing the "euthanasia" speech on this forum, but I'm a stickler for the "one unprovoked bite and you're outta here" approach. There is no room in this world for a dog that is willing to bite a human unprovoked. Stable dogs do not take part in such activities.
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