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Old 04-18-2012, 08:38 PM
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Too bad nobody around here has any Koolies and even if they did, they probably wouldnt' have loads of crazy stories with pictures as proof anyway.
Nope, no crazy stories and no Koolies!

Koolies to me seem more light hearted and happy. Life is fun. Work is fun. Things are FUN. They tend to be very people friendly, especially when younger. Traveler still loves strangers but he's become much more focused on me rather than strangers as he's aged.

They tend to be late bloomers. Drive doesn't fully turn on till they're older and I had to really work on a retrieve, did not come naturally.

Very vocal when excited and things are HAPPENING and known for making all sorts of noises short of outright talking.

Not known for any animal aggression but they are a herding breed that plays rough and can easily overwhelm some other dogs.

Strong, in your face personality. Aren't shy of slamming into you, jumping on you.

Enjoy not touching the ground They like to be on things, very cat like in mannerisms but not behavior. Traveler goes around the house trying his best not to touch the ground.

Not known for nerve issues, sound sensitivity and none for a stable temperament. Traveler slept through 4th of July while outside with people setting off fireworks left and right and a major show going on close. From the day he got off the plan he was ready for anything, I never had to worry about him getting nervous or shy with anything I took him to no matter how crowded, loud or busy it was.

Tireless and energetic with a incredibly nice off switch built in (Still need exercise and for that off switch to be encouraged) but will spring up at any hint of things happening.

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. Traveler had amazing focus as a puppy and that's only grown but he's doesn't require me to give him constant feed back, he can work independently from me while taking direction easily.

They can be overstimulated easily and need to work on being able to handle stimulating environments.
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Old 04-18-2012, 08:41 PM
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I'll be interested to see if the ease of overstimulation is a young boy thing, I'm fascinated to see how the girls differ.
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Old 04-18-2012, 08:42 PM
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I'll be interested to see if the ease of overstimulation is a young boy thing, I'm fascinated to see how the girls differ.
Me too! A lot of the people I talk to have boys while most of the people with females I didn't know when they were younger. I do know most people seem to like the females for working dogs, that they tend to focus better (and I would imagine turn on and become more serious at a younger age)
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Old 04-18-2012, 08:48 PM
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A true to character English Shepherd shouldn't be anywhere near a Golden type of personality. I'm not sure if that's referring to attitude while working (they can definitely be quite sunny while working!) or greeting a stranger or something else. I have an attention ***** of an ES (who isn't the norm), who when introduced to a normal stranger believes it's the most exciting 30 seconds of her life, and then is happy to settle and go back to normal. Despite this, she went absolutely insane barking and sounded downright mean the other day when a man she didn't know tried to open the front door without us welcoming him in. She never would, but she sounded like she would have taken off any body part that came through that door first! After we let him in she was absolutely fine with him. Other ESs I've met have accepted me willingly in a very calm, subtle way and have been happy for pets and love, but were always more aware and interested in their people. I can only describe it as they shouldn't be wary or nervous of strangers, but just might not have a lot of interest in them. This has been more common in my experience.

As far as the cattle comment, while I'm sure this is true for many ESs (there is a variety in the breed - one of the reasons why it's taking me so long to find a breeder for my next dog, some ESs I look at and "ehhhh" is my first reaction), there are absolutely dogs who can handle cattle. Rimrock English Shepherds/Greet Ranch in WY comes to mind - their dogs definitely work cattle in all kinds of conditions and are more than capable.

Not feeling like writing out a big ESy novel tonight (sooo tired!) but I will try tomorrow! In the mean time Mary Peaslee of Shepherd's Way has recently updated her site and it's wonderful - I've spent a lot of time on it just tonight actually! She is a wealth of knowledge and writes very well. I love her "English Shepherds Are..." and "Working Traits In English Shepherds" pages - perhaps because she describes my dog in better words than I can! She also works her dogs on ducks, cattle, sheep and goats - trials them too.
http://www.englishshepherds.net/

Edited for comprehension! I can't put my thoughts into words tonight.
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Old 04-18-2012, 08:51 PM
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Yeah, from everything you've said Sit Stay, all that I've read and the one I've met I never got the Golden feeling from them. Seemed like a more serious jack of all trade, shadow dogs from what I can tell. Very involved with their people and a good all around dog.

Though I know they have quite a variety.
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I'm very interested in meeting a Koolie. Because by the way Lindsey describes Traveler, Blaze and Traveler seem almost identical in terms of personality, with the exception I would be willing to say (without ever laying eyes on her dog personally :P) is Traveler might be less serious than Blaze. But even that is very up in the air to me, because Blaze has a blast while playing, being silly, etc.

Oh, and the talking thing. Blaze will aroorooroo at you, but definitely not in the category of non-stop-talking like I *think* Koolies are.

The main difference I read about between a Koolie and a Border Collie would be working style.I hope someday to meet a Koolie, sometimes it's very hard to see differences when just writing/reading about them.
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Old 04-18-2012, 09:14 PM
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English Shepherds: These are all-around, farm dogs very popular in the Midwest where I grew up. I don't consider them anywhere close to these other two breeds - in fact, I put their personality closer to a Golden Retriever.
Out of curiosity...what exactly do you think a Golden Retriever personality is? Because every time I see someone make a comment comparing a breed to a Golden Retriever, they often haven't any idea what a Golden Retriever should be.
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I see a HUGE variety in Kelpie temperament, as is the same with border collies. I don't know where people are finding loose-eyed, barky Kelpies because every one I've encountered has worked quite a bit like a border collie, but with more size and grip to back themselves up. Both border collies and kelpies are bred to work out of sight of the handler at times, and I consider both breeds extremely "honest" dogs.

I don't know much about English Shepherds and Koolies. I'd consider English Shepherds more like a GSD - more of an all-around farm dog and not so much a precise herding dog. Koolies are much more vocal and in-your-face than Kelpies and BCs, and they seem friendlier with strangers as well.
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Out of curiosity...what exactly do you think a Golden Retriever personality is? Because every time I see someone make a comment comparing a breed to a Golden Retriever, they often haven't any idea what a Golden Retriever should be.
The word "happy" comes to mind, focused and intelligent. Thinkers. Protective of their family but not overly so - vocal alert over aggression. Oh, and big wiggle butts!
BTW, I grew up hunting Goldens and my family still owns one - the field variety, not show.
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They can be overstimulated easily and need to work on being able to handle stimulating environments.
This! Exactly what I saw.
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