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Old 03-23-2012, 11:46 AM
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and then say if you don't like the law enforcement you don't stop making laws. So I really gotta ask, if the law enforcement is such a joke or completely corrupt and can do anything they want to get the job done, why would you say giving a completely inept or completely corrupt power, MORE power? I don't really follow the logic.
The logic is pretty simple. You get rid of your corrupt law enforcement/politics, and find decent officers who actually do good works.

As far as me talking about Memphis in particular, it really just refers to my previous post - comparing Memphis to where I am now, which really just ties in with the statement above. You need good enforcement for ANY law. But bad enforcement can make any law bad. Memphis vs Here compares how it can work and how it can be a complete joke.

Registering your dog with the city or state you reside in should be mandatory, in my opinion. You are made to put your name on everything else you own, pets - who can cause damage, run away, and so on - shouldn't be an exception. You can say "that is what microchips/tags are for", but only the best of us microchip/tag. Everyone else doesn't, because they don't want the responsibility. Making them register their dogs, it makes them take responsibility.

It's just a simple matter of finding a balance between keeping the idiots in check, and allowing the better citizens to go about with their lives....and that is with ANY law, really.

I never said I agree with it completely. Obviously plenty of cities and states have screwed it up plenty of times. And CLEARLY some lawmakers got a little carried away on limits, fees, and so on. But when it is done right from the beginning, and enforced correctly to the end, it CAN work. At least on a small scale.
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Old 03-23-2012, 11:48 AM
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Meh......... I can have as many dogs as I like, walk them where ever I like (within reason of course) and I like it that way....

I think registration is a good idea, but I do NOT like the idea of limits and size restrictions and la la la la la la laaaa...

And let's face it.... it's only the decent owners who would comply and actually be affected by this.

It's a tax on good ownership.
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Old 03-23-2012, 11:59 AM
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Meh......... I can have as many dogs as I like, walk them where ever I like (within reason of course) and I like it that way....

I think registration is a good idea, but I do NOT like the idea of limits and size restrictions and la la la la la la laaaa...

And let's face it.... it's only the decent owners who would comply and actually be affected by this.

It's a tax on good ownership.
I like the idea of limits, simply because I don't particularly like the idea that someone can shove 6 dogs in an apartment, then leave them alone to get bored all day while they are at work. Which generally means a lot of barking. And odd crashing sounds every now and then. Some limits are pretty excessive, though. Base only allows two animals and two caged animals, for example, and I don't agree with it. Two dogs, sure, the yards are pretty small and I can understand not wanting to deal with damage in the houses that might happen with more dogs. But two dogs and a cat wouldn't be so terrible. Cats generally don't make that much of a difference if they are kept inside and there isn't a hoard of them. I'd love to get a cat. But I want my second dog too. And as far as the caged animals, it's like they only allow fish. They've banned everything else. No ferrets, no snakes, no rabbits, no rats...

Animal control is more active around the city, I guess, or maybe the "bad" owners are too scared by the huge fine they'd get for having an unregistered dog. Everyone complies in the city.

I just wish they'd make a law about dogs loose in the back of trucks.
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Old 03-23-2012, 12:07 PM
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As for trying to have a BBQ and dogs being pests or dogs running the fence - what does number of dogs have to do with that?
+1..my dogs are fine with the neighbors being outside. If someone is walking down the road or someone 'new' is walking around the fence, maybe 2 or 3 might run up the fence and bark a few times..and then go back to their business depending on the person. We don't let the dogs out past 9:30/10pm, and we also scan outside the fence before letting them out. We won't let them all out if the neighbors are having a get together or something. My closest neighbor, a police officer, says he never hears them.

The dog (a single rottie mix) a couple of houses down, I've heard bark nonstop for over two hours at all hours of the day and night. Dog barking laws work..it should be a case by case basis.
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Old 03-23-2012, 12:24 PM
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It's a tax on good ownership.
That in one short sentence is what I despise about it....

ESP when it's painfully clear they don't do anything about the mills etc who don't abide by it...
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Old 03-23-2012, 01:36 PM
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Its the blanket limit that is working me up. It should be from a case to case basis.
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Old 03-23-2012, 02:00 PM
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The most dogs I've ever had at one time (not counting a litter of puppies) was 14. And I can guarantee you that my 14 dogs and my home were not even close to being a problem like a neighboring home with 2 small Chi's. My dogs didn't bark 24/7. Theirs did. My dogs didn't roam off-leash bring a freaking nuisance. Their's did. My dogs didn't make my grass grow unseemingly long. They hardly ever bothered to cut theirs. My yard didn't stink thanks to me scooping and disposing of poop twice a day. My neighbors yard didn't smell either, but considering I had to scoop their dogs poop out of my front yard on a daily basis, I'll give them another point.

Having 14 dogs never caused me to have an unkept home, or have my dogs roam lose, or have my dogs bite anyone, or have my dogs act aggressively thru a fence, or cause me to not feed/water them.....I could go own.

I find it pathetically humerous when a person tells me they don't personally believe I should have more than 2 or 3 dogs, thus it should be a law. How about use your bitching and complaining for good use such as encouraging stronger enforcement of leash laws, animal welfare laws (cruelty/neglect), and animal noise ordinance laws.

Just because you (general) don't have the ability, time, and/or space to properly own multiple dogs, doesn't mean I don't either.

This situation also reminds me of the continuing fight with my neighbors to have my horses on my property. They don't want to smell horses and they don't feel I should BR able to have them since we're no longer rural, but tough luck. Not only did they move into a neighborhood that allows for livestock, with the exception of cattle, as long as there is proper acreage, but it's MY home and MY land, and I'll do what I want. Not only dud they not want the horses, but they were against me fencingin my own yard! They didn't want an "ugly livestock fence" (nevermind that it's a wooden 3-rail fence installed by professionals), and they even tried to tell me where I could put it (they said it couldn't go past the front of my home....that would've left me with half the pasture fenced while wasting the other half. The laws said stop at 20 ft to the road, we left a good 35 ft.) It's been a year now, and my neighbors still gripe, and I know for a fact that they
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Old 03-23-2012, 02:08 PM
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There are people in this world who complain for the sake of complaining. I live next door to one. He WILL tell authorities that my dogs are a nuisance and cause me to have a battle on my hands just for principle.
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The most trashed yards I've ever seen - and I've seen quite a few - aren't with people who own dogs. It's people who treat their backyard like a garbage dump. Number of dogs really doesn't have anything to do with that.

As for trying to have a BBQ and dogs being pests or dogs running the fence - what does number of dogs have to do with that?
There is a person a block over with a GSD who lives outside and barks all day and all night. It's a pattern bark too. Woof. Woof. WOOF-woof-woof. Woof. Woof. WOOF-woof-woof. All day, all night. One GSD. Not four or five or ten dogs, one. I also looked at a house where a small doxie lived in the backyard next door. Whenever we would step outside to look at the backyard or the back of the house, he would charge the fence and stand there barking non-stop.
How would a pet limit law do anything about either of these situations? In both cases they would be in perfect compliance with the pet limit law.
Oh for the love of god. I was just making up random examples of how a bunch of dogs could be a nuisance to someone's neighbors. Just replace them with something that WOULD bother you if they wouldn't.
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You missed the point - or didn't actually read my post. Mr. GSD the next block over barking all day long DOES in fact bother me. I never said it didn't bother me.
What I asked was, what do pet limit laws have to do with that? Both my examples involve ONE dog.

A pet limit law is not a nuisance law.
As several people have already pointed out, there are ALREADY nuisance laws that would address this stuff, regardless if it's one dog or ten or twenty. So why add another law that doesn't actually address the problem?
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