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Old 12-14-2011, 04:46 PM
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I'm glad to hear your dog is improving! Something that I think can help him improve even further though would be to stop aiming for him to "make friends" with other dogs. The aim should be for him to see other dogs are neutral - not potential friends or a potential threat.
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Old 12-14-2011, 07:03 PM
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If you have someone with a dog he has played with a lot, they know each other well, you can use that to your advantage. If it's that he wants to go see the dog, that can be his reward for calm behavior and focus on you first. Then he gets to go see the dog. I'm afraid expecting them to see other dogs as neutral is kind of hard on dogs. It's only natural that they want to interact sometimes with members of their own species, just like we do. I think self control can be learned...manners, focus on you and what you two are doing. Then, use the interaction as reward. But I agree, he doesn't have to make friends with every dog he sees and if he tends toward "aggressiveness" to other dogs, be careful and only let him hang out with dogs he knows and gets along well with, but save that for reward for self control first.
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Old 01-21-2012, 09:46 PM
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thanks for all the answers, and thanks for the tip doberluv..I am going to use it. Also, do you think it's a bad thing that he gets over joyed before he goes on a walk? He gets all energized and paces back and forth..he listens though when I make him sit to put his leash on. Sometimes he lets out a bark or a few barks when I make him sit though. Then he starts licking the door and whining before we leave..It's just sometimes annoying and gives me anxiety lol. Not sure if it's a bad thing though? Thanks
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Old 02-11-2012, 01:40 PM
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My neighbors dog occasionally runs over to us when were walking, like I said from my OP my dog was never socially broken so he has anxiety and a little fear thing. But I've been working with him and he's gotten a lot better. When a dog runs over, he just barks at it, it's not like an aggressive bark at all..and he never growls. It's just a regular bark maybe a bit of an excited bark. But I know if I let him get close enough he would snap at it..he just doesn't know what to do though. He's made other dog friends after a few weeks worth of visits..but his initial reaction is uncertainty. He doesn't snap to hurt the dog he just is like saying he's not comfortable with that dog being so close and doesn't know how to act. I just know that from the 2 occasions that happened awhile ago. Anyway, I just want him to stop barking so much when the dog runs over, then I was gonna give them both biscuits to affirm the positive relation. But do you suggest any good ways to stop him barking so much and more relaxed? Would raising my voice and scolding him be a bad thing at that point? I know your supposed to walk away and that's what most will probably tell me but I just want him to realize it's ok and to calm down, that's how I did it with his other buddies. The biscuits really helped also..but I don't wanna give him biscuits if he's still barking.

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Is it bad that he barks and goes nuts when someone rings the bell? I want him to be a guard dog but it does get annoying, he needs to take it down a notch. He won't stop completely if I make him sit but he will just let out some barks still..but I have to go over to him and make him sit.
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Old 02-11-2012, 03:04 PM
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My neighbors dog occasionally runs over to us when were walking, like I said from my OP my dog was never socially broken so he has anxiety and a little fear thing. But I've been working with him and he's gotten a lot better. When a dog runs over, he just barks at it, it's not like an aggressive bark at all..and he never growls. It's just a regular bark maybe a bit of an excited bark. But I know if I let him get close enough he would snap at it..he just doesn't know what to do though. He's made other dog friends after a few weeks worth of visits..but his initial reaction is uncertainty. He doesn't snap to hurt the dog he just is like saying he's not comfortable with that dog being so close and doesn't know how to act. I just know that from the 2 occasions that happened awhile ago. Anyway, I just want him to stop barking so much when the dog runs over, then I was gonna give them both biscuits to affirm the positive relation. But do you suggest any good ways to stop him barking so much and more relaxed? Would raising my voice and scolding him be a bad thing at that point? I know your supposed to walk away and that's what most will probably tell me but I just want him to realize it's ok and to calm down, that's how I did it with his other buddies. The biscuits really helped also..but I don't wanna give him biscuits if he's still barking.
You've had this problem for almost a year. With the right training, you should have seen a huge improvement in your dog's behavior in this time. I don't think there's anything else that we can say that hasn't already been said in the last 100 or so posts on this particular topic.

It's time to hire a professional trainer.

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Is it bad that he barks and goes nuts when someone rings the bell? I want him to be a guard dog but it does get annoying, he needs to take it down a notch. He won't stop completely if I make him sit but he will just let out some barks still..but I have to go over to him and make him sit.
Is it bad? That depends on what YOU want. I personally want my dogs to bark literally once or twice at the door, but then stop. Some people want their dogs to not bark at all. Some people want their dogs to bark for a long period of time and not stop until the stranger is far gone. It all just depends on what you want.
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Old 02-12-2012, 01:58 PM
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You've had this problem for almost a year. With the right training, you should have seen a huge improvement in your dog's behavior in this time. I don't think there's anything else that we can say that hasn't already been said in the last 100 or so posts on this particular topic.

It's time to hire a professional trainer.


Is it bad? That depends on what YOU want. I personally want my dogs to bark literally once or twice at the door, but then stop. Some people want their dogs to not bark at all. Some people want their dogs to bark for a long period of time and not stop until the stranger is far gone. It all just depends on what you want.
We have seen huge improvements, not should have. I was focusing on these two questions in particular (see below). I don't think that walking away is the best thing to do with him. I want him to be social with other dogs and I've seen that he can be.

But do you suggest any good ways to stop him barking so much when the dog runs over and be more relaxed? Would raising my voice and scolding him be a bad thing at that point?
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Old 02-12-2012, 04:08 PM
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I don't think that walking away is the best thing to do with him. I want him to be social with other dogs and I've seen that he can be.
Who told you to walk away? Often walking away only reinforces the bad behavior. Not always, though, it really depends on your particular dog and your particular situation.

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But do you suggest any good ways to stop him barking so much when the dog runs over and be more relaxed? Would raising my voice and scolding him be a bad thing at that point?
I can't make any suggestions. Here's why:

- You said that if your dog gets close to the other dog you think he'll snap at the dog. This is aggression. I can't make any suggestions about how to handle aggression without seeing the dog and the owner in person. Maybe it's not actually aggression. Maybe it's very serious aggression. I don't know, so I'm not going to make any suggestions.

- Several very experienced dog trainers have given you advice on this very subject in this very thread. I have to assume that advice is not working since you're asking very similar questions. I don't know what else to tell you that hasn't already been said.

- I believe we've also talked about the fact that it's a bad idea to scold your dog (or punish him in any way) for barking at strangers' dogs. The fact that you're asking that question again tells me that we're not giving you effective advice that's memorable and executable. I am not able to present advice in a way that would work better for you on this forum.


My advice is now that you find a trainer. There are several Chazzers in Ontario, I'm sure if you PM them you will get suggestions of several qualified trainers in your area.


I'm sorry if this post comes across as rude. I'm just getting frustrated with answering the same questions repeatedly; clearly I'm not getting my point across but I don't know of a better way to persuade you that if you want this problem solved, you'll really need someone in person who can help you. Internet forums only go so far.
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Old 03-16-2012, 09:09 PM
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Who told you to walk away? Often walking away only reinforces the bad behavior. Not always, though, it really depends on your particular dog and your particular situation.


I can't make any suggestions. Here's why:

- You said that if your dog gets close to the other dog you think he'll snap at the dog. This is aggression. I can't make any suggestions about how to handle aggression without seeing the dog and the owner in person. Maybe it's not actually aggression. Maybe it's very serious aggression. I don't know, so I'm not going to make any suggestions.

- Several very experienced dog trainers have given you advice on this very subject in this very thread. I have to assume that advice is not working since you're asking very similar questions. I don't know what else to tell you that hasn't already been said.

- I believe we've also talked about the fact that it's a bad idea to scold your dog (or punish him in any way) for barking at strangers' dogs. The fact that you're asking that question again tells me that we're not giving you effective advice that's memorable and executable. I am not able to present advice in a way that would work better for you on this forum.


My advice is now that you find a trainer. There are several Chazzers in Ontario, I'm sure if you PM them you will get suggestions of several qualified trainers in your area.


I'm sorry if this post comes across as rude. I'm just getting frustrated with answering the same questions repeatedly; clearly I'm not getting my point across but I don't know of a better way to persuade you that if you want this problem solved, you'll really need someone in person who can help you. Internet forums only go so far.
I understand what your saying. I was just curious as to how to handle a situation where a dog would come right up to us, since everything mentioned here was basically to keep my dog at a comfortable distance and gradually decrease the distance using positive reinforcment. When a friendly dog comes up to us, I can either walk away while my dog is barking/over reacting..or what is my other option? I lose control of the distance thing at that point since the other dog is controlling that..that's all I was asking. Thanks
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