Dog Site - Dog Stuff
Dog Forum | Dog Pictures

Go Back   Chazhound Dog Forum > Dog Discussions and Dog Talk Forums > The Breeding Ground


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 02-14-2012, 12:56 PM
lizzybeth727's Avatar
lizzybeth727 lizzybeth727 is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Central Texas
Posts: 6,403
Default

I met a lab this week who came from hunting lines, his sire is in the hall of fame or something. :/ Anyway, the dog was NUTS... NEVER stopped moving, had so much nervous energy he literally made me dizzy. Responded quickly to cues, it was clear he'd been well trained, but he had NO idea how to settle. His owner said that she's never seen him lay down except in a crate. She - his owner - likes that about him, but he'd drive me CRAZY.

So, be careful, know what you're looking for and meet some examples of the breeder's dogs before you get one!
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 02-14-2012, 01:23 PM
Shai's Avatar
Shai Shai is offline
& the Muttly Crew
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 5,723
Default

LizzyBeth that sounds like a field trial dog not a hunt dog. They actually are rather different.

ETA: Unless she likes it such that she's never bothered to teach him to settle and encourages that behavior or doesn't give him adequate exercise in which case I wouldn't blame the breeding goal. Hunting dogs are by nature of their job high energy and enthused, but they should not be maniacs.
__________________

ARCHX U-CD Kim MX MXJ NF CL3-SF RL3/2X/1X-COE CGC -- Golden Ditzhund, b. ~Mar'07
MACH ARCHX U-CD Webster MXB MJB RL3/2X/1X-COE CGC -- Flying Houdini, b. ~Jun'07
Mira CD JH MX MXB MXJ MJB CGC WCX -- Princess Cheeseface, b. Jul'09
Lodin -- Monster Monkey, b. Dec'13
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 02-14-2012, 02:17 PM
AdrianneIsabel's Avatar
AdrianneIsabel AdrianneIsabel is offline
Glutton for Crazy
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Portland, Oregon
Posts: 8,886
Default

Sounds like my malinois. LOL Part breeding, part training, but lets be honest in some lines no matter how much you train an off switch the best you can get is a "go to your bed/crate and settle", which mine have but it took a lot of work to get even there. Expecting them to lounge on the couch while you chill out watching tv and eating a snack isn't exactly fair depending on their breeding.

Denis wants a lab out of field trial lines when we move to Oregon. I am pushing for a nice field bred golden (I mesh much better with their softer/pleaser attitude) or a flat coat or brittany but I'm pretty sure I'll lose out in the end, better start enjoying them now. :-P
__________________
Sloan von Krigbaum CGC BH CD NA NJ PD MJ-N RATI RATN 3/7/10 -
Shamoo NJ-N RATI RATN 3/1/98 -
Phelan du Loups du Soleil 6/15/13-

Arnold CGC TDI FD 6/29/04 - 07/05/13
Backup CGC HIC CD SRD SJ-N RATI 12/29/09 - 07/05/13

You were amazing, we did amazing things.


Harmony Canine, relationship based training.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 02-14-2012, 02:28 PM
Shai's Avatar
Shai Shai is offline
& the Muttly Crew
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 5,723
Default

lol actually I would say the Lab split isn't all that different from the Mal split. There's the show lines that trot around a ring. There's the extreme sport lines derived due to elimination-type competitions that rewards extremes. Then there's the do-it-all dogs who take dedicated owners, sure, but are pretty biddable, high energy, do the job they were bred to do (real hunting, all around protection/herding whatever), and retain rational thought for the most part

The middle group is why I love my FCR. She's on the more intense end of that middle group but she's perfect for me...and with any luck she'll do well in the beauty ring too .

(note: Not saying FCRs are perfect. Just that the one I have fits me like a glove and the joy that brings makes me all gushy sometimes :P)
__________________

ARCHX U-CD Kim MX MXJ NF CL3-SF RL3/2X/1X-COE CGC -- Golden Ditzhund, b. ~Mar'07
MACH ARCHX U-CD Webster MXB MJB RL3/2X/1X-COE CGC -- Flying Houdini, b. ~Jun'07
Mira CD JH MX MXB MXJ MJB CGC WCX -- Princess Cheeseface, b. Jul'09
Lodin -- Monster Monkey, b. Dec'13
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 02-14-2012, 03:25 PM
Red Chrome's Avatar
Red Chrome Red Chrome is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,563
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianneIsabel View Post
Sounds like my malinois. LOL Part breeding, part training, but lets be honest in some lines no matter how much you train an off switch the best you can get is a "go to your bed/crate and settle", which mine have but it took a lot of work to get even there. Expecting them to lounge on the couch while you chill out watching tv and eating a snack isn't exactly fair depending on their breeding.

Denis wants a lab out of field trial lines when we move to Oregon. I am pushing for a nice field bred golden (I mesh much better with their softer/pleaser attitude) or a flat coat or brittany but I'm pretty sure I'll lose out in the end, better start enjoying them now. :-P

How true! I have a dog like that. lol

Hey....if he is looking for a really nice field Lab. I fell in love with a friends Lab and their breeders dogs...and I am so not a Lab person but I'd get one from her in a hearbeat. Full health testing and titled and gah..you can't beat her program IMHO. WindyCanyon Labrador Retrievers! Check her out!
__________________
Osyrius SilverChrome GTOVonMarionHaus-OFA H/E DM Free CGC DDJ RN BH
WBBs BleauChrome Lady of TheCopa-CGC STARR Naughty RockStar
The BlackChrome Executioner VonMarionHaus-Puppy Terrorist
The OldMan Hobie-CGC Rotten Old Dog 11/14/99-01/08/2013
Talulajhs RedChrome Kahpone-CGC TT BH TDI 10/31/04-06/07/10.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 02-14-2012, 04:52 PM
Michiyo-Fir Michiyo-Fir is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 2,337
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AdrianneIsabel View Post
Denis wants a lab out of field trial lines when we move to Oregon. I am pushing for a nice field bred golden (I mesh much better with their softer/pleaser attitude) or a flat coat or brittany but I'm pretty sure I'll lose out in the end, better start enjoying them now. :-P
Same as me. I really love field bred Goldens a lot more than labs, I'm not sure why even though some people tell me they're quite similar.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 02-14-2012, 05:07 PM
AdrianneIsabel's Avatar
AdrianneIsabel AdrianneIsabel is offline
Glutton for Crazy
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Portland, Oregon
Posts: 8,886
Default

I have several lab clients and a few goldens. Ime the labs are stubborn, willful, hard to manipulate, and inexhaustible. The goldens are softer, pleasing dogs that are heart broken if they fail, they too are high energy but less of a "f.u. I'm barreling here!" and more of a "weeeeeee join me in this awesome play session!" way.

Of course with lots of work I've won over two of my lab clients and am loving one of them as an agility girl (go figure, she's built like a show dog). They're great dogs ime but they're not easy and sometimes I really love a dog that cares when their handler is disappointed, which ime my lab clients do not. Lol
__________________
Sloan von Krigbaum CGC BH CD NA NJ PD MJ-N RATI RATN 3/7/10 -
Shamoo NJ-N RATI RATN 3/1/98 -
Phelan du Loups du Soleil 6/15/13-

Arnold CGC TDI FD 6/29/04 - 07/05/13
Backup CGC HIC CD SRD SJ-N RATI 12/29/09 - 07/05/13

You were amazing, we did amazing things.


Harmony Canine, relationship based training.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 02-14-2012, 05:41 PM
Shai's Avatar
Shai Shai is offline
& the Muttly Crew
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 5,723
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Michiyo-Fir View Post
Same as me. I really love field bred Goldens a lot more than labs, I'm not sure why even though some people tell me they're quite similar.
I do too. In general goldens are "softer"...which in field terms means they actually care more about correction and you have to be careful so you don't shut them down. One of the reasons field Labs are so popular for field trials is you have a better shot following the prescribed pro "formulas" which relies quite a bit shall we say on e-collars and you can over- or miss-correct and the dog really doesn't care and is going to be just as GOBABYGO the next time around. And the one after that.

Me, I like a dog who actually gives a darn about my opinion on the matter, at least assuming we have some sort of relationship.

Now there are softer Labs and harder Goldens to be sure...definitely a lot of room for overlap. On the other hand, the stereotypes exist for a reason.
__________________

ARCHX U-CD Kim MX MXJ NF CL3-SF RL3/2X/1X-COE CGC -- Golden Ditzhund, b. ~Mar'07
MACH ARCHX U-CD Webster MXB MJB RL3/2X/1X-COE CGC -- Flying Houdini, b. ~Jun'07
Mira CD JH MX MXB MXJ MJB CGC WCX -- Princess Cheeseface, b. Jul'09
Lodin -- Monster Monkey, b. Dec'13
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 02-15-2012, 03:29 PM
MicksMom's Avatar
MicksMom MicksMom is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Warren Co, NJ
Posts: 3,501
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Michiyo-Fir View Post
...Are there any labrador forums around that she could get more information?
Try Just Labradors (different from Just Labs). Your friend is more than welcomed to say I sent her if she wants. http://www.justlabradors.com/forum/index.php

Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Chrome View Post
...Hey....if he is looking for a really nice field Lab. I fell in love with a friends Lab and their breeders dogs...and I am so not a Lab person but I'd get one from her in a hearbeat. Full health testing and titled and gah..you can't beat her program IMHO. WindyCanyon Labrador Retrievers! Check her out!
She posts on Just Labradors, too, as does Laura (Kelrobin).
__________________
My Labrador Retriever is Smarter Than the President
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 02-15-2012, 04:25 PM
Red Chrome's Avatar
Red Chrome Red Chrome is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,563
Default

Seriously, Anne(WindyCanyonLabs) is amazing. She is one of the best people I have ever met in the dog world. She is so knowledgable and helpful to ANYONE with ANY breed! I just lovfe her and her dogs!
__________________
Osyrius SilverChrome GTOVonMarionHaus-OFA H/E DM Free CGC DDJ RN BH
WBBs BleauChrome Lady of TheCopa-CGC STARR Naughty RockStar
The BlackChrome Executioner VonMarionHaus-Puppy Terrorist
The OldMan Hobie-CGC Rotten Old Dog 11/14/99-01/08/2013
Talulajhs RedChrome Kahpone-CGC TT BH TDI 10/31/04-06/07/10.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:19 AM.


1997-2013 Chazhound Dog Site