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Old 10-01-2005, 05:47 PM
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We have a 6 month old Jack Russel, which was at one stage toilet trained. We didn't do crate training, in fact we went about it the hard way as we let the puppy have freedom of the house at night, as we already had another older dog who had the freedom of the house at night.

The puppy is pretty much toilet trained except if it raining during the night. If there is no rain, there is no mess indoors, if has been raining overnight there is mess indoors, and it is always the same spot.

I think the puppy knows it is wrong to do this because as soon as she sees me find the mess she bolts and hinds under the bed.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to break this habit.

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Old 10-01-2005, 06:17 PM
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I think the puppy knows it is wrong to do this because as soon as she sees me find the mess she bolts and hinds under the bed.
What has been your reaction when she goes in the house? What is your mood when you find the mess? I suspect that is what she is reacting to and not that she has a sense of right or wrong.

Is she frightened of the sound of the rain or does she just hate going out in it?

Has she been crate trained at all? As in....using it for car rides or spending any time in one?

So many questions, I know, but that will help in finding some answers.
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Old 10-01-2005, 06:31 PM
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No there has been no crate training.

I dont think she is afraid of the rain, just doesnt like going out in it.

Now that you mention it, she could be reacting to my mood. Sometimes when I call her, when she is not in trouble, she rolls on her back and waits for me to come to her. ALthough she is wagging her tail.

I think this could be bourne from when we used to put her outside when we went to work, our other dog when straight out, but i would have to call the puppy, who would then come to me and i would put her out. She has no problems going outside now.

If she is reacting to my mood and not what she has done wrong, how do I change this? A friend said the old rub her nose in it trick, but my partner said this wont teach her.

This only happens at night when we are sleeping, during the day when we are home she always go outside. I thought of restricting both dogs to the laundry and leaving that door open. Would this be the best thing to do?

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Old 10-01-2005, 06:56 PM
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Don't worry about the length of your reply. You should see how long winded my posts are. LOL. Anyhow, the more info, the better your responses from people will be.

So, your partner is right. Rubbing the nose in it has nothing whatsoever to offer a dog's education. Has she been scolded for making messes? There should be no scoldings, but rather prevention of accidents. And just taking he pup out often enough.

I like crates because they won't tend to foul their "den." So, when the dog cannot be watched, she can be put in there for that time. I don't like excessive confinement as in people who leave them in there all day long....8 - 10 hours. That's not good. But overnight or short periods during the day is fine IMO. However, you'd need to get her use to one gradually with all positive associations.

The laundry room would save your carpet, but it may not teach her to go outside at those times she is choosing to not go outside. So, you'd always be plagued with this problem.

You could confine her to the laundry room, but get up at night once to take her out on her leash and stay with her while she tries to go. And then praise like mad and give a special treat. Would one time be enough for her, do you think? It's a hassle, but the more successes she has.....the fewer times she goes inside, the better she'll catch onto the idea that it is NOT ok to go inside....ever.

In the laundry room, maybe you could partitian off a very small area, just enough for her to sleep, stand, turn around, stretch out....and no more, maybe room for a bowl of water. (I don't like keeping water from dogs ever, but that's just me. It's a terrible feeling to be thirsty. Some people do remove water at night) You could make it out of something that she can see out of if you think that would ease her into being in a very small place. Just be careful she can't get hurt on any materials if she messes around with stuff.

Anyhow, punishment really doesn't teach anyone anything. If she's been scolded, that can make her nervous and submissive and afraid after she goes...like, "Gee....I go to the bathroom and then I get in trouble." You have to show her somehow that you want her to go outside to pee and only outside. You'll have to do the leg work....taking her out in the rain and preventing indoor accidents, even in the laundry room. When she complies, right after she goes outside, praise like crazy....give her a party, treats, make a big fuss and eventually, she'll get it.

She probably ought to be able to go over night without having to go, if it's not more than about 6 or 7 hours. The sound of the rain may be making her a little nervous. At other times when it rains, you could go out and play and have fun with her...show her that rain isn't going to make her melt. Associate rain with fun and treats and a nice, playful rubbing down with a towel when she comes back inside. Spend some quality time in the rain with her. LOL. Sound fun? LOL. She'll apply that to other areas, I think...as in going outside to go to the bathroom in the rain at night.

I hope some of these ideas are useful. Maybe someone else will have some more for you. Good luck.

Anyhow, 6 months is really very average for housebreaking. Many dogs take longer. So, an occasional accident is bound to happen if you get lax in supervision. That's par for the course. My Dobe wasn't reliable until he was about 9 or 10 months. Other dogs I've had, much earlier than 6 months and some right around 6 months. So, your pup is doing great all in all.

Edited to add: See what I mean about long winded posts? Gosh. I'm so embarrassed!
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Old 10-02-2005, 12:45 AM
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It sounds to me the only accidents are when you don't take her out when it's raining....just make sure she goes out and does her business even if you have to stand out in the rain with her until she goes. As a breeder I always said " go squat" to pups and it lasted all their lives. Yes, it's weird to tell a 10 yr old male to go squat , but they know I mean business and they do their business,
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