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Old 02-25-2010, 12:03 PM
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i think it's probably very rare indeed that a dog will truly "turn without warning". i think what really happens is that warning signs are ignored and ignored and ignored (or punished and punished and punished) and things escalate to the point that they go horribly wrong. this is for a true "family dog" at least. for a dog who is not truly a member of the family (kennelled, penned, chained, fenced in the backyard, whatever), the risks are higher. evenso, your chances of being killed by a dog are miniscule.

karen delise has some really interesting information on her website here National Canine Research Council and if you can get ahold of her fatal dog attacks book (which i think is out of print), it's fantastic. she looks at a bunch of contributing forces in fatal dog attacks.

kc dog blog KC DOG BLOG also has a ton of good information on dog attacks. he did a really excellent write up on all the fatal dog attacks from 2009.
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Old 02-25-2010, 12:31 PM
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i think it's probably very rare indeed that a dog will truly "turn without warning". i think what really happens is that warning signs are ignored and ignored and ignored (or punished and punished and punished) and things escalate to the point that they go horribly wrong. this is for a true "family dog" at least. for a dog who is not truly a member of the family (kennelled, penned, chained, fenced in the backyard, whatever), the risks are higher. evenso, your chances of being killed by a dog are miniscule.

karen delise has some really interesting information on her website here National Canine Research Council and if you can get ahold of her fatal dog attacks book (which i think is out of print), it's fantastic. she looks at a bunch of contributing forces in fatal dog attacks.

kc dog blog KC DOG BLOG also has a ton of good information on dog attacks. he did a really excellent write up on all the fatal dog attacks from 2009.
^^ I think this is a very good point. So many people are total idiots when it comes to reading dog body language. They completely miss HUNDREDS of warning signs. When someone gets mauled, I think a lot of times it was months to years in the coming. Bad bite inhibition combined with suppressing the warning behaviors (like punishing growling).

Then there are medical issues.

There have been some cases where owners tried to break up dog fights by themselves, between two large and powerful animals and ended up being badly mauled or killed. Not that the dogs even redirected on them, they just got in the way.

My cousin was nearly killed by their family dog. The dog was DA, and one day it "just snapped". She had to be airlifted to Seattle and they were barely able to save her eye.

Then the truth came out. The DA dog had killed their other dog, so her mom's drug dealer boyfriend got a new puppy thinking their first dog would like a puppy better. He admitted that whenever the previous dogs fought, he would run over and beat the h--- out of them until they stopped. Well, the old family dog started attacking the puppy (surpise!) and so he started beating the snot out of it. My 9 year old cousin was standing nearby, and the dog redirected on her. Not what I would classify as randomly snapping.

On a happier note, the boyfriend is in jail for a looong time for domestic and drug charges.
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Old 02-25-2010, 02:02 PM
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One of the first signs of Neon's brain tumor was when he tried to attack my mother with no warning or provacation. 30 secons prior to the attack, he was laying by her feet, 30 seconds after, he was trying to get in her lap so he could give her kisses.
Besides that, I have never seen a dog turn on people it trusts with no warning.
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Old 02-25-2010, 02:08 PM
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Elegy, thank you so much for that website, I will go check it out.

I realize that it is difficult to get the truth, especially if the owner dies there is really know way of knowing what happened. It does make sense that if two large, powerful dogs are fighting and the owner was to attempt to step in then they could get seriously injured. I have seen small dogs get into fights and breaking them up is not an easy task.

I guess the case of an "unprovoked" attack is quite rare and would likely be from a brain issue. Otherwise, whether it be previous abuse that led up to the attack, or like Romy's cousin, being in the wrong place in a bad situation.

I feel like I can better participate in a discussion regarding dog attacks now (this has come up often enough for this to be a valid concern of mine, lol). Before I just didn't know what to say. I hate contributing to a conversation without at least knowing something about the topic.
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Old 02-25-2010, 08:49 PM
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There was a recent case here with a lady getting attacked breaking up a fight between her shepherds. News made it sound bad but then again they always do.


There was another one here where a lady tried to break up her rotts fighting and they attacked her instead. Killed her.

Thats the most common situation I see. My friends had a golden mix who was just wired goofy and out of no where would attack. They tried for a couple years to fix whatever was wrong and finally put him down.
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Old 02-26-2010, 04:16 AM
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Don't worry about your dog, you're more likely to be killed by your Significant other out of the blue!

Anyway, Archie randomly started biting friends that he's known for quite sometime, without any type of warning at all. They weren't bad bites, but nothing to fool around about. He's never had the best threshold anyway. And he was diagnosed with Canine Cognitive Dysfunction. Senility. He's on meds now Dont jump on me chazzers, I know what the general opinion would be if I asked.).

So I second the "bad wiring" and health problem explanations.
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Old 02-26-2010, 11:32 AM
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I am in no way worried about my two attacking me, in fact I am more concerned that my house would get broken into and the dogs would either A) run away at any given chance or B) lick the robbers, lol!
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