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Old 12-10-2009, 07:21 PM
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Even if you have a few litters that make a small amount.. then you will have one where you will loose a lot. If you need a c section, or have a puppy get a crazy antibiotic skin infection causing the need for reconstructive ear surgery to rebuild his ear canal by a veteranary surgeon (who came up from Toronto specifically to do his operation)

Its balance over time that gets you.
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Old 12-11-2009, 02:14 AM
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[QUOTE=4dogs3cats;1517250]I still think breeders do make money.

If you count the price of their dog, and the cost of getting the dog titled and whatnot, yeah, its less.


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Do you know what it costs to Title or put Championships on a dog? Keeping in mind the higher the Title, the more time was invested which equals a lot more $$.

IMO, you can't compare. To compete with a dog/s, no matter in what event, whether it be conformation, sports, field, obedience etc, a weekend can cost nothing less than a couple of hundred dollars and that is if it happens to be close to home. If you start going for multiple days (or a week+), staying in hotels, your weekends can cost $800+. And entry fees get higher and higher as each year goes by. Do that more than once a month or a few times a year and you are spending thousands and upwards of tens of thousands. And some people haul almost EVERY weekend or at least 2-3 times a month to multiple day events.........

I'll give you an example for just agility, for a local agility trial (meaning within 2hrs of home) for 3 days of competing with 1 dog. If you enter 5 classes per day ( the norm) that is $260.00 + in entry fees alone. Fuel: $40.00 - 60 +, Hotel: $300.00, that doesn't include food etc.

Average entry per class: $15.00-30.00 depending on where and what you are entering and the Association).

Going for one day (which we often do to cut down on expenses), entries would be around a hundred, plus fuel etc.

Sharing expenses with a friend is very common for fuel and hotels.

But either way it is expensive and it doesn't matter what event it is and that certainly doesn't take into account any money spent on trainers/training or grooming/handlers for conformation.

Health testing: a lot of money spent there as we all know...........and that is going to increase in some areas more and more as they find Genetic Markers for the different issues. Each disease/condition.........another DNA test at $65.00 +.

Plus all the other expenses in Vet bills before and after a litter...........PLUS, PLUS & PLUS..............

So what if someone has a litter of 10 puppies that they sell for a high price.......that bitch very well could have had tens of thousands spend on her or at the very least a few thousand. And the money is just cycled back around again as they continue to PROVE their dogs and test their dogs.

On the other hand a brb, typically has a stud dog and 2-4 bitches (cheap purchases typically as well because the rep breeders wont sell to such people), breeds each bitch at least once a year or more, often doesn't do any kind of health testing, and doesn't prove their dogs in anything. I would be willing to bet that the average brb MIGHT have a $100.00 invested in each pup, but that is probably way to high.

I know of a brb, has 1 stud, 8 bitchs, breeds twice a year and wont keep a bitch unless she produces at least 4-5 in a litter. Unregistered dogs (pugs actually), no health testing and certainly doesn't do anything else with them. Charges $800.00 per pup..............makes over $50,000 a year?

I know others too, makes me sick, one brags that their *dog* income is over $60,000 a year..............nice.

No comparsion on any level, imo.
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Old 12-11-2009, 10:22 AM
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personally i have no problem with a breeder making a little profit IF there doing everything else right...
if their properly health testing, providing good food, all the proper socilization is done...

and the key here is also...if the puppies arnt outragiously overpriced in comparison to another breeder who does ALL the same things with the same great quality...

for exaple...
breeder A and breeder B both breed cresties.
all health testing is properly done, puppies are raised properly, shown and the breeding dogs are form the same lines...
essentially breeder A and breeder B are IDENTICAL in every way.

breeder A charges $1000 for her hairless, breeder B charges $2000 for her hairless, im going to go with breeder A...(again assuming of equal quality, time and imput) but then again im like that in everything i buy, why pay $100 for a pair of jeans when i can buy the exact same pair for $50...
but thats, again, just me personally.
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Old 12-11-2009, 12:50 PM
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Thats exactly how I feel, foxy. I look for reasonable prices. And if breeder A is cheaper than breeder B, (both do everything right) then why waste my money? Truffles was under a thousand dollars but yet I found breeders who dont even show that had puppies in the thousands.

Here in Oklahoma you can find breeders who charge $300-400 per puppy. They are AKC and come from champion lines, and they are quite typey. But the thing about most of these breeders, is that health testing is not done. Its crazy to me how much price fluctuates depending on what part of the US you live in.
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Old 12-11-2009, 01:08 PM
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I have no problem with a breeder making money if they are health testing, breeding quality stock, proving they are worthy to be bred, etc.
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Old 12-11-2009, 02:32 PM
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. Its crazy to me how much price fluctuates depending on what part of the US you live in.
Yup. Dobes for example are $1500 to $3000 on average. Of course you get a select few breeders who charge more. But thats considered the norm.

Beagles on the other hand, excluding hunting breeders, are all $1200 to maybe $2000 at the most.
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Old 12-11-2009, 02:59 PM
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Here's my take on this...

Breeding dogs is a hobby. Like all hobbies, you will NEVER make the money you put in back.... EVER. It just doesn't happen. As Dekka said, over time it all evens out, and that's true. With any hobby that you have the ability to earn some money in, by the time all is said and done, no one has made a profit. At best they've just "covered" what they put into it.... and that alone is an amazing thing to be able to do.

If a breeder really is making a profit on the dogs(all expenses included) than they're doing something wrong.

That being said, I don't have a problem with them making a little bit of money, but I don't see it as being something that's possible to do unless you're skipping out on some really important steps.... or charging and insane amount of money...
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