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Old 10-24-2009, 02:26 PM
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I believed it was called Shadow (The dog's name), and
I don't think the word wolf was even mention in that
episode. And actually the dog wasn't a husky, it was
an alaskan malamute, or alaskan malamute mix.
How does the breed of dog it is or it's name make this abuse any different? This:
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He kicks the dog and it attacks him. He then strangles it until it collapses
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How did we get from "Ceasar M. has his own mag" to Cesar bashing ?
I don't agree with him on a lot of things, but it's best to be opened
minded. Some of the new episodes he has gotta more positive.
What is your definition of "open minded?" Many others and I have seen an ample volume of horrible handling. So, when you say, "open minded," does that mean we should tolerate some of his abusive tactics along with some of the acceptable things he does? You mean that it's open minded when people who train animals animals gently, tolerate what they view as abuse or psychological harassment of an animal?

And why is a converstation between ourselves, that you and some others call "bashing" a bad thing? It's not okay to dislike the way he mistreats dogs and we should all shut up and not share our opinions? It's okay for politically correct, tolerant-of-all to voice their opinions, but it's "bashing" when others have a strong opinion and do not accept what is being done to dogs on his TV show? And a "show" is what it is.
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Old 10-24-2009, 02:33 PM
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"Don't try this at Home, seek a professional" and whatever else is said is simply for legal reasons
I have no doubt it was primarily done for legal reasons. Of course, he feels he must cover his arse. There is a strong liklihood of producing a dangerous dog from his "methods" and he's been bitten enough times to realize it. There is a very practical reason for that warning of "don't try this at home."

It's ridiculous for anyone to even consider using "methods" which provoke a dog to attack or shut a dog down, when there are multitudes of other methods which will not provoke a dog, will not cause learned helplessness, and will in fact reduce the probability of the dog biting or becoming increasingly frustrated, down trodden and/or aggressive.

(the word, methods, I feel compelled to put in quotes because it is really a misnomer when discussing the tactics he uses on dogs.)
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Old 10-24-2009, 03:33 PM
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How does the breed of dog it is or it's name make this abuse any different?
Did I say it wasn't abuse ?
The information wasn't correct, I just wanted to give the correct information.
There's a big difference being called "Very dominant wolf mix" and "Shadow"

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What is your definition of "open minded?" Many others and I have seen an ample volume of horrible handling. So, when you say, "open minded," does that mean we should tolerate some of his abusive tactics along with some of the acceptable things he does? You mean that it's open minded when people who train animals animals gently, tolerate what they view as abuse or psychological harassment of an animal?
He has use food to redirect a dog, is that abuse ?
It's better to educate each other than just...

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And why is a converstation between ourselves, that you and some others call "bashing" a bad thing? It's not okay to dislike the way he mistreats dogs and we should all shut up and not share our opinions? It's okay for politically correct, tolerant-of-all to voice their opinions, but it's "bashing" when others have a strong opinion and do not accept what is being done to dogs on his TV show? And a "show" is what it is.
Of course you should share your opinions, but this is about his magazine.
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Old 10-24-2009, 04:18 PM
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He has use food to redirect a dog, is that abuse ?
It's better to educate each other than just...
No, using food to redirect a dog is not abuse. It is bribery.
It is better to educate. That is why this man should not be a trainer to emulate. That is what we're trying to say here. Is it not apparent? There are loads of good trainers out there that use food or some other motivation and do not use the detrimental handling he uses. So, why search through a haystack for a few good needles, when you can find all good needles all in one trainer? (okay...poor metaphor)



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Did I say it wasn't abuse ?
The information wasn't correct, I just wanted to give the correct information.
There's a big difference being called "Very dominant wolf mix" and "Shadow"
No, I don't think you said it was abuse. And I'm very glad you made the information correct. That's important in the context.

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Of course you should share your opinions, but this is about his magazine.
Okay...his magazine should also come with a warning. "DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME." (the magazine)
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Old 10-24-2009, 05:15 PM
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I sure dont hate Cesar. I agree with a few things he does, and I actually use SOME of his teachings with my own dogs. not teachings about being a pack leader, but teachings about having a calm assertive energy and how your dogs pick up on you being nervous and seem to know when you are anticipating something bad happening. I know Cesar is not the only trainer who speaks of using your energy which animals are very in tune to, but he is the only one that I know of.
I am a firm believer that if I was more calm and assertive I would have better behaved dogs. Yet with my anxiety disorders I am panicky, nervous, and anxious. It rubs off on my dogs. I am not saying that is the reason for all of their issues, but I just know it makes things worse.
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Old 10-24-2009, 06:12 PM
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I am a nervous wreck. But my dogs are relatively calm, (the Chihuahuas are almost sloth-like)....defiitely not hyper or nervous, well behaved and obedient enough.

What do you make of that?
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I have one dog that is quick to become defensive but in a very calm and confident way, one that is completely laid back ~ laissez-faire, one that is highly reactive and nervous and one that is very needy and clingy.

So...what does all that say about me?
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I am a nervous wreck. But my dogs are relatively calm, (the Chihuahuas are almost sloth-like)....defiitely not hyper or nervous, well behaved and obedient enough.

What do you make of that?
I know many people like that, or really calm people with wired dogs! I do think staying calm does make relating to animals easier.. but I don't think its necessary.
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Old 10-24-2009, 08:08 PM
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I'm not particularly nervous with them. I'm just a nervous, sort of high strung person in general....even if I haven't had 3 cups of strong coffee. LOL. I can be very soothing to my dogs and soothed by my dogs. When I'm specifically interacting with them, I'm not really all spazzed out or anything. And if something gets them riled, I force myself to calm down. But yeah....intrinsically or naturally, I'm high strung, I guess you could say.

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I have one dog that is quick to become defensive but in a very calm and confident way, one that is completely laid back ~ laissez-faire, one that is highly reactive and nervous and one that is very needy and clingy.

So...what does all that say about me?
You must have multiple personality disorder. j/k.
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Old 10-24-2009, 09:31 PM
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There are loads of good trainers out there that use food or some other motivation and do not use the detrimental handling he uses. So, why search through a haystack for a few good needles, when you can find all good needles all in one trainer? (okay...poor metaphor)
Um.... is this a plug for acupuncture?
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