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Old 10-14-2009, 12:26 PM
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Default Ruckus bit someone (again)

and I soooo blame hubby! We have not had any issues in nearly a year either! We had a visitor while I was at work. Hubby was home. He let the visitor in, Ruckus was barky but behaved pretty well. When company was leaving Ruckus bit the guy in the butt. It didnt break skin, but did bruise.

I am so mad at hubby right now. He knows that Ruckus has a history of biting people when they leave. I have no idea why he didnt put up or leash Ruckus before the guy left!
Hubby feels bad and I doubt he will ever let something like that happen again. The guy that Ruckus bit is not hurt, and isnt even mad. He actually has came back over since then to drop off some movies for us to watch. Ruckus came to the door, barked some, and then wanted to be petted. Tommy (the guy he bit) petted him and there were no issues or aggression on Ruckus's part. When Tommy went to leave I put Ruckus in a down stay and he growled some, but didnt get up.

Why would Ruckus behave this way?
Its easy to prevent, just put him in a down stay. but WHY!?
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Old 10-14-2009, 12:32 PM
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Ruckus sounds underconfident, and underconfident, fear aggressive dogs will often take "cheap shots" i.e. biting people when they aren't looking; people looking at them tend to intimidate them enough that they just bark a lot. Along with the down-stay, I would give him lots of treats, or a favorite toy so that good things happen when people leave.
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Old 10-14-2009, 03:28 PM
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dodger is actually this way too.
the difference is he doesnt actually bite...instead he just dives at their feet and barks as iff trying to scare them, if you stand still even not looking at him he doesnt do it and will even stand there looking for attention...but walk away and he decides your feet need ot be yelled at.
he only does it when they walk with some speed though...

i do agree its a confidence issue though.
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Old 10-14-2009, 05:35 PM
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I know its not funny, but I had to laugh that he bit the guy in the butt. sorry!
I'm glad the guy has no issues with him, that's good. They don't always end that way.

Have you ever thought of doing agility with Ruckus? I know he has some issues, but even a private instructor, or some things to practice in a backyard or field could help. I've seen dogs with no confidence gain confidence while learning to do agility-like things.
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Old 10-14-2009, 06:28 PM
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yup Ruckus does agility usually weekly.
we finished our advanced agility class last fall. now we do it in the backyard. I seen a big difference when we started agility, Ruckus is more confident because of that. we have really went a loooooooong way from where he was.
thanks for the tip though! I recommend agility to anyone with a fearful dog.
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Old 10-14-2009, 06:48 PM
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Gonzo snaps at stranger's butts, too. :/ I feel your pain!!! He has never made contact, he just air snaps, but people are taken aback by it. I, too, am thoroughly confused by it. It never happens outside of the house. He never EVER snaps at people's hands/faces/anything, just their butts or their ankles and only when they're walking away from him. After he meets a person and feels comfortable with them in the house, he won't display this behavior, and he seldom does it to women or calm people. It's like a weird, re-directed herding behavior. The only thing that really works for me is veryyyy intensive introductions, supervising him constantly, and calling him to me if he's starting to fixate and rewarding him for leaving it/chilling out. I don't down/stay him, because he can still fixate in a down/stay and I hate that. If I can't take it slow and watch him carefully, I also crate him. It sucks because he is SO sweet and trustworthy toward anyone that he knows/trusts, but he randomly doesn't trust certain people in the house and he feels the need to herd them around. Fortunately, these are herding dogs with bite inhibition, and not protection dogs... I am always so glad for that. And, I would honestly rather have spazzy herding dogs who want to herd people and who are obvious about it than a dog who really goes for people with no percievable warning.

Gonzo and Ruckus would be friends.
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Old 10-14-2009, 08:26 PM
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yup Ruckus does agility usually weekly.
we finished our advanced agility class last fall. now we do it in the backyard. I seen a big difference when we started agility, Ruckus is more confident because of that. we have really went a loooooooong way from where he was.
thanks for the tip though! I recommend agility to anyone with a fearful dog.
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Missy and Tucker didn't have very much confidence when they first came to us. With both of them, hiking in the woods - with backpacks - has helped. Maybe I'm just crazy, but something about being in the natural, sometimes challenging terrain and having a job to be responsible about seemed to work its magic. After I while I asked Missy to "brace" herself - in case I stumbled or needed her help. Tucker's smaller, so we asked him to jump on and stay on logs (for example) to be "out of the way". I made sure to pick a spot that I know they'd be successful with. But, I know not everyone has access to places like these. I had Mia trying to balance on the cement parking space blocks the other day she hasn't had a chance to get out in the woods a lot this year, and I can tell (she's been nervous-y acting)
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Old 10-15-2009, 08:05 AM
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thanks! Ruckus does like you said Gonzo does! it NEVER happens outside the home. and only happens when people are trying to leave. We go to petco, the dog park, etc etc and he has never showed signs of a problem. but at home its different!
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He is a herder, herders tend to nip things heading away from them. Sounds like you know how to handle things. Bite your hubby in the butt now!
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Sorry, but I wouldn't pin this on a herding behavior. It's insecurity and bad manners on the part of both dogs. Not a herding behavior.
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