Bias and hypocricy of views

[-bogart-]

yeah see how they recover from them also mafia, and they avoid the others .

please point out where he said he would not take a breech pup , for the life of me i can not find the post. got a post number or something, i remember vaguly him saying something about breech but cannot find out what

[Xandra]

He didn't contradict himself... he said they recovered from snake bites so far, said the bites were from copperheads and said that they hadn't been bitten by a rattlesnake... then said that he would take them to a vet for a rattlesnake bite.

Do a google on the use of copperhead antivenin in dogs... didn't seem to be highly recommended. In large dogs, the bites aren't often fatal and it isn't uncommon for dogs to have an allergic reaction to the antivenin and die.

So a vet is going to look at the dog, maybe try and convince the owner to buy some antivenin, keep the dog (which is stressful for it), give it IV fluids and painkillers, and they wait... if the dog lives you get it back along with a huge bill, if it dies you get a phone call and a huge-er bill. So I guess the opinion of the OP is that if some IV is what is going to save the dog, it can't be very hardy.

Rattlesnake bites are more severe and antivenin seems to be the usual course of action... and so they go to the vet.

[Romy]

Originally Posted by Xandra

He didn't contradict himself... he said they recovered from snake bites so far, said the bites were from copperheads and said that they hadn't been bitten by a rattlesnake... then said that he would take them to a vet for a rattlesnake bite.

Do a google on the use of copperhead antivenin in dogs... didn't seem to be highly recommended. In large dogs, the bites aren't often fatal and it isn't uncommon for dogs to have an allergic reaction to the antivenin and die.

So a vet is going to look at the dog, maybe try and convince the owner to buy some antivenin, keep the dog (which is stressful for it), give it IV fluids and painkillers, and they wait... if the dog lives you get it back along with a huge bill, if it dies you get a phone call and a huge-er bill. So I guess the opinion of the OP is that if some IV is what is going to save the dog, it can't be very hardy.

Rattlesnake bites are more severe and antivenin seems to be the usual course of action... and so they go to the vet.

Most folks that hunt with hounds, that I know of personally, learn how to start an IV themselves as it can save your dog's life if it gets injured out in the field. I don't know if the OP is one of these though.

I also know folks who have had their vets show them how to put in stitches, since the faster it can get stitched together the less scarring, and faster the recovery time is. Also, if you do it immediately after the injury, they are still full of adrenalin and don't complain about being sewn together. For sighthounds whose skin tears easily this is an advantage since they are also sensitive to many of the anesthetics and painkillers used.

[smkie]

Neigbor's pointer died from a copperhead bite.

[smkie]

ufimych
Puppy Dog Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Virginia, USA
Posts: 87

My Adel gave birth to 10 puppies

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Yes, she is 3 years old now and I breed her for the first time. As I wrote earlier, my Saluki live outside a year around here, in Virginia climate. No problem with this, only benefits. They are ready to jump out of their pens and run at any moment, when I am ready. Adel gave birth to pups on July 3 and I know who will buy my puppies. Even while nursing the pups, she does not mind to run for five-ten minutes and even flash a rabbit! She eats 2-3 pounds of ground beef per day and the pups grow rapidly.

Prior to giving birth, she cleaned inside the doghouse, leaving just bare plywood floor. Everything is going on naturally. No vets involved and I do not intervene, except handling the pups.
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HE doesn't say however what he would do if things went wrong.

[Criosphynx]

Originally Posted by smkie

ufimych
Puppy Dog Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Virginia, USA
Posts: 87

My Adel gave birth to 10 puppies

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Yes, she is 3 years old now and I breed her for the first time. As I wrote earlier, my Saluki live outside a year around here, in Virginia climate. No problem with this, only benefits. They are ready to jump out of their pens and run at any moment, when I am ready. Adel gave birth to pups on July 3 and I know who will buy my puppies. Even while nursing the pups, she does not mind to run for five-ten minutes and even flash a rabbit! She eats 2-3 pounds of ground beef per day and the pups grow rapidly.

Prior to giving birth, she cleaned inside the doghouse, leaving just bare plywood floor. Everything is going on naturally. No vets involved and I do not intervene, except handling the pups.
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HE doesn't say however what he would do if things went wrong.

I believe hes refering to the birthing process..

at least thats how I read it.

[Romy]

Lucky for us and our dogs, most snake bites do not involve much venom. In cases where there is a lot of envemonation, the dog is not likely to survive even with veterinary help.

I know of a borzoi who was bitten on the nose, and his owner managed to save using the vet and a lot of antivenom. In the end, he survived the bite but it drove him insane. He had to be put down a year later because the brain damage was so severe, he was dangerous to be around.

ETA: This was a rattlesnake bite.

[Criosphynx]

Lots of vipers give dry bites...in fact they prefer too...venom is precious and why waste it when the teeth alone will do?


In fact I've even seen my vipers give dry bites to PREY!


They are stingy with the stuff