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Old 07-12-2009, 10:21 PM
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Sentinel is actually a very safe product for collies. It is the intercepter base with an added flea egg/larve control. If you have a flea problem i would recc. to be on sentinel with a topical flea control like frontline. If you dont have a live flea problem or a tick problem then you really only need the sentinel. Sentinel has been on the market for over 10 years and is very safe.
Just a note if you use sentinel. Be sure to give it with a meal so it is absorbed properly.
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Old 07-17-2009, 10:57 PM
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It is a good question if you're trying to determine if the pup is a lethal white. Which, since both puppy's parents are merle, it most certainly is a lethal white.

I'm not a collie person, but I know a little bit about genetics. I'm not ignorant enough to assume that two merles look alike regarding exact coloration.
Ugh... I was thinking that, too. How very sad.

While you're at the Vet, ask about getting his sight and hearing checked out, too! He could very well be partially or bilaterally blind/deaf (although both of his ears are colored, which is a good sign).
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Old 07-20-2009, 10:01 PM
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Ugh... I was thinking that, too. How very sad.

While you're at the Vet, ask about getting his sight and hearing checked out, too! He could very well be partially or bilaterally blind/deaf (although both of his ears are colored, which is a good sign).
yes we did ask the vet about this and they said he was good.....they did mention this to us about the white coat and blue eyes.... could you explain this a little bit more (blind deaf thing)...
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Old 07-20-2009, 10:19 PM
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Well, I truthfully know very little, But, I think this link will help you.

The White Aussies Project, at Lethal Whites .Com

It's about merle-merle progeny. It's something about how the merle gene masks color, and for some reason double merle affects sight and hearing.

But, don't ask me how most all white dogs don't have this issue (like westies, samoyeds, maltese, white german shepherds, etc) 'cause I don't get that myself.

You may want to ask someone who is an aussie or collie person. I wish I could point you to someone, but I don't know anyone.
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Old 07-20-2009, 11:31 PM
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It is a good question if you're trying to determine if the pup is a lethal white. Which, since both puppy's parents are merle, it most certainly is a lethal white.

I'm not a collie person, but I know a little bit about genetics. I'm not ignorant enough to assume that two merles look alike regarding exact coloration.
True, but that's not how the question came across.

And two merles do not automatically make a lethal white. It is the only way to produce a lethal white, but not every MxM is a lethal white.

EDIT: I somehow missed the pictures but found them. Deaf/blind can be very tricky in MxM dogs...now obviously if the pup was mostly white with small blue eyes with pink rims, chances are there would be some severe sight impairment. Ears that are colored, especially on the inside (though this is not always accurate) generally retain hearing, whether that's partial or total is unknown. I've seen some pups I could have sworn were deaf/blind based on the "lethal white" pattern, yet they retained both sight and hearing.

At this age, he might end up being sight impaired in his one eye, he might not. I've seen pups that were very light when young, end up dark with different enough markings as to make it difficult to tell the two pictures were the same dog if you didn't know how to look!
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Old 07-20-2009, 11:35 PM
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yeah, I read that page. I think like 25% are born lethal whites, and then the rest of the litter could be perfectly healthy.

sorry it didn't come out right. I do that alot.
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Old 07-21-2009, 10:30 AM
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It is a good question if you're trying to determine if the pup is a lethal white. Which, since both puppy's parents are merle, it most certainly is a lethal white.

I'm not a collie person, but I know a little bit about genetics. I'm not ignorant enough to assume that two merles look alike regarding exact coloration.
Breeding a merle to a merle does not always produce the lethal white(which is not truly lethal), but it does increase the chances. Being that this pup in general sounds like it has come from a mill, it's chances are probably higher.
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Old 07-21-2009, 12:11 PM
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Didn't my earlier post just say that?
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Old 07-21-2009, 02:40 PM
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Didn't my earlier post just say that?
Sorry, I either didn't read all the way down or I missed it.
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Old 07-21-2009, 06:59 PM
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My male rescue aussie is out of a m x m breeding, he is a bicolor and his hearing/site is fine, he was a lucky one.

I believe the stats are like 1/3? I do know there were 6 in the litter, two bi's, two merles and two lethal whites (both deaf). The merle puppies I believe had hearing probs as well.
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