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Old 06-03-2009, 11:37 PM
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I have a thing for Border Collies and will probably own one in the future so I'm sure I would have no problem with a tollers energy, I love energetic dogs!

The only thing that worries me is the DA/DR, I might be apt for an adult rescue Toller, that way I would know how it is with other dogs, instead of getting a pup and despite socilization I find I have a DA or DR Toller.


Also do Tollers tend to be super sensitive or do they bounce back quickly, like after proper socilization lets say something just spooks them, are they the kind of dog to be scared of that forever untill desisitizing them to it or do they just bounce back and investigate what just happened or does it depend on the dog and where it came from?

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I have no doubts that you'd be able to handle a Toller's energy -- your Lab sounds like he's quite the character, so I don't think dealing with a Toller would be too much different for you. What I meant was not to compare too much with a Border Collie if you tend to like them, or you will be disappointed a little bit with a Toller as they aren't quite up to par energy level or intelligence wise and many people think they're pretty much the same.

As far as the DR, it's not severe in most Tollers, really. The only time Dance gets iffy is in our house (like I said), or if she's somewhere on leash where dogs are really crowding her. They just enjoy their space and don't like dogs invading it or being rude/pushy about it. Finding a rescue Toller would be really hard -- they aren't easy to come by at all, and when they do pop up, the rescues generally have a full waiting list since they are so few and far between. Lots of Toller breeders do seem to rehome retired breeding dogs or show prospects that didn't turn out, so that may be an option for you. Tollers breeders will tell you that DR isn't anything to worry about, but I've seen quite a few with it. Just minorly like Dance though.

Tollers certainly are not as forgiving as lots of other dogs. They can be very sensitive, and positive training is recommended for them or they might shut down. It does depend on the dog to a certain extent, but they aren't entirely known for their bravery, haha. Like Dance and her bag issue -- I've been trying to desensitize her to them for 2 years now, to no avail. She's lacking in confidence though and has been since I got her, so that plays a huge role in how difficult it is for her to overcome things. I did, on the other hand, get her over her shyness toward people eventually and she ended up getting her Canine Good Neighbour certificate a couple months ago -- something I didn't think would ever happen, as she was pretty leary of people for a long time. Spring is the opposite, though. Not anywhere near as sensitive. If she's spooked by something, she will investigate further, and once she sees that I'm ok with whatever happened, so is she. She's also not overly sensitive when it comes to training -- if she doesn't do something right the first time, she'll put 10 times more the effort into it the next time until she gets it right usually.
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Old 06-04-2009, 12:18 AM
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I have no doubts that you'd be able to handle a Toller's energy -- your Lab sounds like he's quite the character, so I don't think dealing with a Toller would be too much different for you. What I meant was not to compare too much with a Border Collie if you tend to like them, or you will be disappointed a little bit with a Toller as they aren't quite up to par energy level or intelligence wise and many people think they're pretty much the same.

As far as the DR, it's not severe in most Tollers, really. The only time Dance gets iffy is in our house (like I said), or if she's somewhere on leash where dogs are really crowding her. They just enjoy their space and don't like dogs invading it or being rude/pushy about it. Finding a rescue Toller would be really hard -- they aren't easy to come by at all, and when they do pop up, the rescues generally have a full waiting list since they are so few and far between. Lots of Toller breeders do seem to rehome retired breeding dogs or show prospects that didn't turn out, so that may be an option for you. Tollers breeders will tell you that DR isn't anything to worry about, but I've seen quite a few with it. Just minorly like Dance though.

Tollers certainly are not as forgiving as lots of other dogs. They can be very sensitive, and positive training is recommended for them or they might shut down. It does depend on the dog to a certain extent, but they aren't entirely known for their bravery, haha. Like Dance and her bag issue -- I've been trying to desensitize her to them for 2 years now, to no avail. She's lacking in confidence though and has been since I got her, so that plays a huge role in how difficult it is for her to overcome things. I did, on the other hand, get her over her shyness toward people eventually and she ended up getting her Canine Good Neighbour certificate a couple months ago -- something I didn't think would ever happen, as she was pretty leary of people for a long time. Spring is the opposite, though. Not anywhere near as sensitive. If she's spooked by something, she will investigate further, and once she sees that I'm ok with whatever happened, so is she. She's also not overly sensitive when it comes to training -- if she doesn't do something right the first time, she'll put 10 times more the effort into it the next time until she gets it right usually.

Oh yes, my boy is a character but I wouldnt have him any other way

I guess that DR might not be that big of an issue I mean being iffy in the house is understandable along with other pushy, in your face types, I know alot of dogs that just dont like that and will let the other dog know and in some respects thats not all bad.
I guess I keep forgetting how new Tollers are and its actually good there arent that many in rescues.
I will have to search out just the right breeder when the time comes!
Well it sounds like with the sensivity it just depends on the dog, I would love a Spring temperament tho, in the aspect that she bounces back fast and doesnt shut down easly.

Is there a difference between the sexes? Like are males more affectionate and biddable where as the females are more independent?
I'm a more male dog kinda person
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Old 06-04-2009, 12:30 AM
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Is there a difference between the sexes? Like are males more affectionate and biddable where as the females are more independent?
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A little bit. I find male dogs of most breeds more biddable & into their people than females. Toller males are supposedly more apt to please you I've heard, where as many females don't care about anyone but themselves. There's always exceptions though. But other than that I don't think there are many other temperament differences. When I sat for some Tollers back in April I didn't really see much of a difference between genders, aside from the fact that the boys sought a tiny bit more affection/attention from me.
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The more I read about Tollers, the more I like the sound of them. I've only ever met one, and she was a lovely, friendly young female (15 months irrc).
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The DR reactivity should only be an issue if you want to hang out at dog parks. Most tollers I know do quite fine competing and get along with dog's they know quite well. If DR/DA bothers you I don't suggest a BC either as a breed they tend to be worse than tollers. (in part I think because their rude behaviour 'staring' sets other dogs off)
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My boy DaVinci is a toller mix and he is a great dog. He toller/golden. He is noisy and pretty wild at times. He is great with strangers ( except those that smoke). He is a therapy dog and is training to do BARC ( reading dog). I also do agility and free style dance with him. Someday I will have a full blood toller.
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Old 06-04-2009, 11:42 AM
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I'm not a dog park person, I just dont want a dog that will be reactive to other dogs passing them or in a competition setting and it sounds like its kind of depends on the specific dog, some are worse then others and some arent like that at all.
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Old 06-04-2009, 11:46 AM
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Well no I would say that has more to do with training than anything else. Some of the most dog reactive dogs I know are the top competitors (some have gone to worlds). Dekka is very dog reactive but isn't an issue at agility trials... people are very good about not letting their dogs come up to her.
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Old 06-04-2009, 11:55 AM
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Most everything has been covered already, I just thought I'd add that in my experience with the tollers I've know (including my own), quirky ought to be bolded and underlined. Pit isn't DR or DA but he's very weird about other dogs. Sometimes he's terrified of them, sometimes he loves them. It really could go either way. In an agility setting, he completely ignores all the other dogs.

As far as males being more affectionate, maybe it's different with other tollers but mine is terribly independent and would way rather I let him be for most of the day.
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