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Old 03-06-2009, 10:41 PM
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No, I'm not upset at all.

I was just a little confused as to where you'd get the idea that meds would be stronger if they were not diluted by food. I've never heard that before so I was kind of taken aback. And my suggestion of mixing it with food was the same suggestion CP gave you 11 posts before. Sorry if I offended you, that was not my intent.

Oh, and I meant to say before: For the record, I give liquid meds to dogs very often, and I will testify to the fact that it is much harder to squirt liquids into a small dog's mouth than a large dog's! I don't think it has to do with the strength of the dog so much as the fact that larger dogs can't move as fast, there's more body to hang on to, and their mouthes are larger which makes it easier to get the syringe in there. So don't feel bad that you are having a hard time with this!
I am -very- much relieved. You should've seen the mini-rant that I originally posted...though I did admit at the end that I had a -HORRIBLE- day today, so that might've made me 'over-sensitive' (sorry!). (some of the horribleness due to the stress that I had from worrying about Wanta. I want the best for her, but sometimes I am truly ignorant with regards to her care. Well, it's why I'm here, I guess...).

"I was just a little confused as to where you'd get the idea that meds would be stronger if they were not diluted by food. "


to explain this bit, it's because of my personal experience with medications. With minocycline, for example, I've found that taking it without food amplified its effect. If I took it with food, sometimes it wouldn't even register.

Given how worried I was about Wanta's pain, it scared me to think that if I mixed the medicine with food, that Wanta's pain reduction would not be as effective. Also, my reply to you was rather honest, though I guess from a 3rd person perspective it could sound a bit ridiculous. But, honestly it was new information to me. And tbqh, it was a relief as well. How easy for me to just mix her a chicken/rice/medicine dinner! I really did not like the idea of 'forcing' wanta to do -anything- against her will...

"And my suggestion of mixing it with food was the same suggestion CP gave you 11 posts before"

To explain my thinking, when I read this post, I doubted it (sorry CP!). Your post had a lot more 'convincing/evidence power' in it. But with regards to the prior post, I was more bent on my own experience with medications. I'm not implying anything was wrong with CP's post -at all- btw! Just explaining why I wasn't necessarily convinced at that point in time.

"Sorry if I offended you, that was not my intent."

I'm sorry for being over-sensitive. But dam, today was just -such- a pain. I suppose stress makes you more paranoid.

"and their mouthes are larger which makes it easier to get the syringe in there"

lol, good point Lizzy

"So don't feel bad that you are having a hard time with this!"

thx Lizzy. But man, I -am relieved- I can just cook some simple dinner for her. Wanta will be happy, she rarely gets human food . We tried the food-tactic tonight (before this post actually) and it worked like a charm. Though she gobbled up that food quite fast. She really likes chicken apparently.

But again thx everyone and Lizzy. Sorry for my mini-rants, today was just -major suck-! *prays for a better tomorrow*
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Old 03-06-2009, 11:11 PM
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That's ok, I've had a bad two days too so I probably sound a bit short.

Any pain killers give me a stomach ache if I don't take them with food.... even over-the-counters. I can't take asparin at all unless I have a REALLY big meal, and even then sometimes it hurts my stomach.

What is this medicine anyway? I've never heard of a liquid pain killer.... the only time I've used remadyl and tramadol they've been pills, I can't imagine you'd have a different one.

Also, if it's a pain killer, you probably won't have to give it as often as the vet says, or continue it as long as he says. It might sound mean, but I really think that dogs have extremely high pain tolerances (I spent a day with a dog who had a hip replacement the day before, it was amazing the lack of pain that he showed). Plus most pain killers are bad for dogs' livers or kidneys or something, so you don't want to use them unless you really have to. For my dogs at work, when they get neutered I'll give them a full dose of remadyl the day after the neuter, and then depending on the dog I'll either give a half dose the next day, or nothing. For spays I'd probably give the full dose for two days, then cut down to a half dose or nothing. If Wanta's energy level is back to normal and she doesn't seem in pain (yelping when she lays down, etc.), you could probably stop the pain killers.

BUT, if the meds you're giving are antibiotics, DO NOT STOP giving them! Finish out the dose that the vet told you, that is very important. I have given liquid antibiotics before (think a dog is hard? try giving them to a cat), so I wouldn't be suprised if that's what you're giving her here. And if they're antibiotics you might consider giving her plain, lowfat yogurt, about a 1/2 tablespoon per day (it also makes good medicine-mixing food!). The antibiotics kill the "good" bacteria in her intestines, and make her immune system weaker for a little while during and after she's on the antibiotics. But yogurt helps support her immune system. I'd start giving it to her now and continue for about a week after she's done with antibiotics.
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@lizzy

"What is this medicine anyway? I've never heard of a liquid pain killer..."

I went downstairs to check. Apparently the Vet gave Wanta something called 'Metacam'. I am completely unfamiliar with pain killers, so I really have no idea either.

"you probably won't have to give it as often as the vet says"

thx for the note. for the record, he said "1cc once a day"

I spent a day with a dog who had a hip replacement the day before, it was amazing the lack of pain that he showed

WAT. seriously? o__O Thx for the info though, sometimes I am too soft so..

For spays I'd probably give the full dose for two days, then cut down to a half dose or nothing. If Wanta's energy level is back to normal and she doesn't seem in pain (yelping when she lays down, etc.), you could probably stop the pain killers.

Good to know Lizzy, thanks

BUT, if the meds you're giving are antibiotics, DO NOT STOP giving them! Finish out the dose that the vet told you, that is very important.

alrite, noted

"think a dog is hard? try giving them to a cat"

my god, I don't even want to think about it tbqh...

The antibiotics kill the "good" bacteria in her intestines, and make her immune system weaker for a little while during and after she's on the antibiotics. But yogurt helps support her immune system.

This I -actually am- familiar with. Thx to not following these procedures, my poor friend developed IBS b/c of antibiotic-overload.

Thx for the detailed/helpful info. I feel a lot more confident now, I think Wanta is in safe hands finally =] oh also, for the medication clarification, the doctor gave me -two- meds. One painkiller and one antibiotic. both liquid
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Just looked up Metacam, it's a pain killer and does come in tablets as well as liquid (don't know why a vet would give you a liquid over a tablet, tabs are so much easier!), and is preferable to other pain killers because it lasts long enough to be given only once a day.

One side effect is gastrointestinal irritation, yet another reason to feed yogurt and stop giving her the meds as soon as she is comfortable.
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thx lizzy, will do
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