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Old 08-12-2008, 02:30 PM
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at 4:20, the first thing I thought was... "and whose dogs are retrieving hotdogs and bringing them back to their owners uneaten?"

Enough said.
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Old 08-12-2008, 02:43 PM
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The best way to shut people up is to wow them with your own dog. I love it when people tell me that 'treats" are bribery and toys don't work in the real world. I just go out and show 'em. No treats, no toys, just our finished product and then ask them to point out the weakness in my training methods. Not that my dogs are perfect, but pretty dang close. that is of course until the next time when they'll be sure to remind me i'm not as good of a trainer as I think

We come across people like that all the time. They heard from some guy that trains dogs for this and that and pretty much everything under the sun, that treats are bribery and you can't use a ball on the street to get a dog to "out" off a suspect. They actually look dumbfounded when you "out" your dog and their is no conflict and you didn't have to choke him off a bite. It's priceless. The sad reality is though, even after you show them, most of them won't believe their eyes, they'll believe the words of some whacked out hack that couldn't train his way out of a paper bag.
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Old 08-12-2008, 05:18 PM
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I know people who attended his seminar when he was touring in decemberish I think. I posted my viewpoint that I think he's an asshat, and multiple reasons why using things he's done on his show. I got told off that he's wonderful and I was peeing on their parade..

They claim they learned so much from him.. if you mess up in his seminars he makes you do push ups. I find that real motivating..

Last I heard from other sources, their dogs have regressed back to their earlier behaviours and aren't perfect post Brad's help.
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but are they any stronger from the push ups?
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Old 08-12-2008, 05:37 PM
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I know people who attended his seminar when he was touring in decemberish I think. I posted my viewpoint that I think he's an asshat, and multiple reasons why using things he's done on his show. I got told off that he's wonderful and I was peeing on their parade..

They claim they learned so much from him.. if you mess up in his seminars he makes you do push ups. I find that real motivating..

Last I heard from other sources, their dogs have regressed back to their earlier behaviours and aren't perfect post Brad's help.
Most trainers have clients and colleagues...Brad has groupies. Not one current, experienced. educated trainer supports him....but that's because we're all jealous! At least that's what his followers say...SHEEP..Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
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Old 08-12-2008, 05:41 PM
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Hahaha. I never asked. I was peeing myself that they complied..

Very very true. Groupies is a great word for it.. I've gotten a few ideas I thought I could play around with from the few times I tried to watch him.. But overall, He's horribly bad.
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Ugh... he's horrible. I've watched a couple of his episodes on TV when his show first aired and I couldn't believe what I was seeing, and still can't understand how he can call himself a trainer. It's amazing (and incredibly unfortunate) how many people actually believe in his methods though. We take the dogs to Southland park often and I usually run into at least 5 people everytime who believe in his methods 100%, and there's absolutely no convincing them otherwise.
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The way I look at it, no one should follow any one cookie-cutter method 100%. Take from column a) that which works best for you and your dog, take from column b) that which works best for you and your dog, take from column c) . . . and so on and so forth.

As for Pattison in particular - I wasn't able to watch the clip posted, but HAVE seen his show a few times. I personally find him substantially less of a *ouche than CM, and have never seen him do anything I find particularly objectionable, HOWEVER, I have not watched every episode, and am not so naive to overlook creative editing. One thing I DO like about him, is that despite whatever training methods he may use that one may not agree with, if the owners are dumb*sses, he tells them so, and doesn't sugar coat it. More people need to hear it, and let's face it, it's entertaining, if nothing else.

So I'm not an advocate of any one person, and never will be. I'm an advocate of "do what works for you" and that's all you can do, because there will always be people looking for a quick fix for moneymaking, weight loss, and yes, dog training. And you nor I can't change their mentality.
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See I do work to change their mentality. I work hard to help people understand that issues that have been (usually) months or years in the making are not going to go away in a few sessions.

IMO this guy is just as dangerous as Milan. He spews as much misinformation. No treats? What if your dog doesn't care about praise (most dogs don't unless they learned its a no punishment marker-which I would think would be the case with his dogs).

I would never suggest anyone do really anything he said in that clip, because most people can't sift the wheat from the chaff. There are better sources to turn people to.
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Old 08-16-2008, 06:16 PM
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Am I the only person who was taken to some video of an interview with a WWE Diva, and not a dog training video? >O.o<

EDIT: Ah, found it... they must have moved the video... I also found some of his little training videos, and read how against treats he is...

It's funny... he's SO against treats, but I taught both my dogs everything they know, including everything I just saw on his videos, using treats, and now they will do it at ANY time WITHOUT treats, and much more eagerly than any of the dogs in his video... yet "treats are a negotiation."
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