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Old 10-17-2008, 10:55 PM
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My four month old pup jumps up on people when she greets them, of course. She loves people! And loves jumping! Why wouldn't she do two at once?

In our puppy class we were shown a very effective way of teaching a dog to sit politely while being approached (and even to check in with you frequently when they see someone coming). That is all well and good. It worked very well in class with the trainer acting as a stranger, walking up to me and my pup to greet us.

However! This is proving very difficult in the real world. Maybe I'm not being direct enough with people, but when they try to approach my pup I say "She has to sit first. Then you can pet her." I think this is very clear...but I get one of two reactions (neither of which are helpful):

1. People go "Oh...nevermind then..." and walk away.

2. People go "Oh, ok. Sit...sit...Sit....SIT!" and then go "Ohhh, nevermind!" and pet her anyway! NOoooooOooo! *I* get her to sit. YOU stand there and exercise some restraint people!

People can't wait the 30 seconds it takes her to calm down and sit. They start trying to put her in a sit, putting their hands all over her (which she then bites...yay, playing!) or just figure that it's torturous for the dog to have to calm herself down so they just start petting her anyway.

How can I be more clear? I don't want to come across as a jerk...but I have told people "I'm sorry, I said she needs to sit first. She's being trained. Please don't pet her yet." And they still don't listen. Or then they REALLY walk away.

I can't be the only person who has been in this situation. What did you do? How do get people to HELP with your training? And not just make things worse! The huuuge downside here is that I live alone and unfortunately have virtually no one to practise this with. I don't have any family in the city and the friends I've tried to get to help me...are worse than the general public! They have nooo patiences and keep trying to correct her even when I've made it really, really clear what their role is. People just don't seem to get training unless they've done it themselves.

Help!
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Old 10-17-2008, 11:14 PM
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Dogs are so easy compared to people!

At least your dog is happy to see people, mine used to be terrified. I used CM's instruction of "no-touch, no-talk, no-eye contact" with people who came into my home. The one guy who didn't listen to me and went to indulge himself at my dog's expense, got shown the door.

On the street I first taught my dog to ignore strangers by keeping moving at a steady pace while at a distance. Your pace should not change when a stranger enters the picture,

If someone was up close, I would usually intercept them with a smile and say "Hi there! I have a dog in training. Could you please do me a favor and walk with me a little way while ignoring her so she can get used to strangers?"

If they were willing, they would usually walk along and chat a bit.

It's mostly about practicing what you're going to say and how you will say it with a friend first.

Your dog probably expects to greet folks. Teach her to expect to ignore, then socialize on your terms when you feel it's appropriate. Again, set up situations and practice with friends, first.

A lot will depend upon your demeanor when dealing with the stranger. Be confident, calm, friendly, and firm. Body block them from your dog if need be.

Your pup is young, patience and practice is the key.
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Old 10-18-2008, 06:37 AM
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In our puppy class we were shown a very effective way of teaching a dog to sit politely while being approached (and even to check in with you frequently when they see someone coming). That is all well and good. It worked very well in class with the trainer acting as a stranger, walking up to me and my pup to greet us.
Id really love to hear what you have been taught by your trainer, as my dog has the exact same problem and no people do not help one bit, they always love it when my pup blake jumps, they think its fantastic, I try to explain to them that he's learning to calm down and sit but they wont listen, they just repeat the same actions every time they meet him.

I dont know how else to explain to them that your training the pup, sorry I cant help there.
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Old 10-18-2008, 12:25 PM
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Id really love to hear what you have been taught by your trainer, as my dog has the exact same problem...
Basically, you have your pup sit beside you. Give treats for eye contact or "check ins". Another person approaches from quite a distance (we started at about 20 feet). The person approached slowly, not making eye contact, not talking to the dog (read: as uninteresting to the dog as possible). If the dog broke the sit, jumped up, etc. the person approaching came to a stop. When the dog settled back into a sit and made eye contact it was treated. Then the person continued to approach.

Once the person was able to calmly walk right up to the person and dog without the dog jumping/breaking the sit then we started over again with the person approaching acting far more exciting...jumping, clapping, running up to the dog, saying "puppy, puppy, puppy!!", etc.

It took most dogs maybe two or three attempts before they were sitting quietly and checking in with their owner while someone ran up, jumping and calling to them. My pup was less than three months old when we did this and she did it just fine. And she is very energetic and people-loving dog. So it can be done! It's just hard without any way to practise...
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Old 10-18-2008, 07:19 AM
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You have to put yourself between the dog, and the friendly stranger, and tell them firmly that the dog can only be petted if she is sitting. Then you have to tell your dog to sit and make sure she does. If she gets up while being petted I said eh eh (more directed toward person!) and put myself between and asked for a sit again
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Old 10-18-2008, 12:26 PM
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...Then you have to tell your dog to sit and make sure she does. If she gets up while being petted I said eh eh (more directed toward person!) and put myself between and asked for a sit again
hahaha, yeah I find that I'm correcting strangers far more than my dog. The dog is going to do doggy things...but there's no excuse for people not following commands!!
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Old 10-18-2008, 07:34 AM
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Oh - I wanted to mention that if you're planning on going further, like a CGC or something I personally had an issue with standing for examination or whatever because it was habit for her to sit! 6 years later and she still does it out of habit! i'm proud, though!
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Old 10-18-2008, 12:28 PM
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Oh - I wanted to mention that if you're planning on going further, like a CGC or something I personally had an issue with standing for examination or whatever because it was habit for her to sit! 6 years later and she still does it out of habit! i'm proud, though!
We've worked a lot on "stand". It was hard at first, but she knows the voice command and hand signal for stand and will do them quite reliably...at home with no distractions anyway! It's another story out of the house, of course.
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Old 10-18-2008, 09:35 AM
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can you put a vest or back pack on her with "dog in training" printed on it? Sometimes people will have more respect for something like this than the actual words of the owner. Just a thought.
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Old 10-18-2008, 09:58 AM
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WOW you guys are so much nicer than I am

I barely address the person. I deal with the dog. If the dog jumps, I tell the dog to sit, or I step between the dog and person, or I (with the dog) walk away. I find that trying to explain to the public "he's in training" is more difficult than it should be. I just go about the training without explanation. If the dog really won't behave appropriately, I tell the person they cannot pet the dog right now. Period. If the dog jumps and the person says, "Oh, I don't mind" - my stock answer is simply that "I do mind".
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